New Car - Hot Hatch - which?

Simon · 8 Mar 2006 at 23:12

Barry Smalley said:
The GTI is not a hot hatch. Ask Gilly.

Why isn't it? Why ask Gilly?

Its a hatch and it is fast, surely that's a hot hatch?

NickXX · 8 Mar 2006 at 23:14

We all know that the Golf GTI is a hot hatch.

MJ · 8 Mar 2006 at 23:54

Skoda Octavia Vrs

Barry Smalley · 9 Mar 2006 at 16:34

Simon said:
Why isn't it? Why ask Gilly?

Its a hatch and it is fast, surely that's a hot hatch?

Here's the proof, mate.

Paras said:
I cant agree more!

That > GTI > CTR > every other hot hatch

Gilly said:
The CTR is the only hothatch you've mentioned

[TW]Fox said:
The new Golf GTI is a hot hatch Gilly.

Gilly said:
Since when?

Have they significantly lightened and shortened it?

From here.

Gilly · 9 Mar 2006 at 17:56

Aye, still stand by it too

I wouldn't argue about it being a fairly fast hatchback, but are all fast hatchbacks hot hatches? The example I used in the linked thread was the ST220. Its a hatchback. Its pretty fast. Is it a hothatch?

I wouldn't say so.

/casts line out

Goliath · 9 Mar 2006 at 19:32

Maybe Hyperhatch is a better description - AFAIK a hot hatch should be lightened and "minimal", GTI mk1 being the classic example.

/helps throw line further.....

Simon · 9 Mar 2006 at 19:43

Gilly said:
Aye, still stand by it too

I wouldn't argue about it being a fairly fast hatchback, but are all fast hatchbacks hot hatches? The example I used in the linked thread was the ST220. Its a hatchback. Its pretty fast. Is it a hothatch?

I wouldn't say so.

/casts line out

It has 5 doors so no it isn't

The defination of hot hatch has come along since the mk1 golf and 205. The golf is faster than a clio so for the gti to not be a hot hatch then neither is the clio

Gilly · 9 Mar 2006 at 21:39

Goliath said:
AFAIK a hot hatch should be lightened and "minimal", GTI mk1 being the classic example.

EXACTLY!!

[TW]Fox · 9 Mar 2006 at 21:40

Gilly said:
EXACTLY!!

Clio 172 and 182 are thus not hot hatches, I would hardly call Xenon headlamps, climate control, full leather, etc etc as 'lightened and minimal'

NickXX · 9 Mar 2006 at 21:43

Goliath said:
Maybe Hyperhatch is a better description - AFAIK a hot hatch should be lightened and "minimal", GTI mk1 being the classic example.

/helps throw line further.....

In the late 70s/80s/most of the 90s, that was what the hot hatch was all about.

It's not in the 21st century.

Goliath · 9 Mar 2006 at 21:50

[TW]Fox said:
Clio 172 and 182 are thus not hot hatches, I would hardly call Xenon headlamps, climate control, full leather, etc etc as 'lightened and minimal'

So do the Cup/Trophy versions count? To me, the Peugeot Ralleye series were up there as well.

Goliath · 9 Mar 2006 at 21:53

NickXX said:
In the late 70s/80s/early 90s, that was what the hot hatch was all about.

It's not in the 21st century.

But many people's idea of the ideal "sports" car is still the same - minimal weight and reasonable power = serious fun. Witness the rise and rise of the Exige and it's variants, or the continued success of Caterham with what amounts to a 40 year old design.

Barry Smalley · 10 Mar 2006 at 08:21

Simon said:
It has 5 doors so no it isn't

What about the Golf G60? or the G60 limited? 210bhp in a Mk2? Surely that is a hot hatch, even though it has five doors.

Simon · 10 Mar 2006 at 08:38

Barry Smalley said:
What about the Golf G60? or the G60 limited? 210bhp in a Mk2? Surely that is a hot hatch, even though it has five doors.

Yeah you're right, it was about the only reason I think of as to why the Mondeo wasn't one though

Barry Smalley · 10 Mar 2006 at 11:58

Simon said:
Yeah you're right, it was about the only reason I think of as to why the Mondeo wasn't one though

LOL.