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[Jono8]

SkyLake-X is in every aspect worse than AMD's chips, far less IPC in gaming, use far more power, run far hotter, can't keep up with Threadripper in productivity, they have no redeeming features, AMD smash them to bits in everyway and yet Intel chips cost more, much more.

It really isn't about price, price does NOT= a better product.

Hope Intel ain't adopting SkyLake-X to cheaply make CoffeeLake because if they do those 6 core i5's and i7's will also be worse than AMD's CPU's.

This is bobbins.

The 7820x costs about £100 more than a 1800x granted but it is decently faster - It is a head of the 1800x in every bench in this review bar Total War Warhammer

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/107947-intel-core-i7-7820x-14nm-skylake-x/?page=3

Again in this review it is ahead of the 1800x in everything bar civilisation in gaming, and in productivity stuff it really pulls away in a lot of benches

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7820x-skylake-x,review-33961-7.html

Saying that Ryzen "AMD smash them to bits in everyway" in simply false.

Comparing their 8 core 16 thread cpu's the 7820x is on average faster than the 1800x. For that you have to shell out £100 more yes, but whether that is worth it will be up to the buyer.

I don't think Skylake X is all that wonderful but it really isn't as bad as some are making out.

 

[gavinh87]

This is bobbins.

The 7820x costs about £100 more than a 1800x granted but it is decently faster - It is a head of the 1800x in every bench in this review bar Total War Warhammer

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/107947-intel-core-i7-7820x-14nm-skylake-x/?page=3

Again in this review it is ahead of the 1800x in everything bar civilisation in gaming and in productivity stuff it really pulls away in most benches

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7820x-skylake-x,review-33961-7.html

Saying that Ryzen "

The thing that most people would do is get the 1700 and overclock it. Then the difference becomes £200. Then put it in a b350 board. £67.99 vs £229 for the cheapest x299.
The difference then grows to £361. Add an aio cooler for the 7820x and you are well into a £400+ difference for certainly not a £400 performance increase.

 

[RavenXXX2]

1800x who buys that try the 1700 at over £200 cheaper. That's why the 7820 is doa as mentioned in many reviews.

 

[Jono8]

The thing that most people would do is get the 1700 and overclock it. Then the difference becomes £200. Then put it in a b350 board. £67.99 vs £229 for the cheapest x299.
The difference then grows to £361. Add an aio cooler for the 7820x and you are well into a £400+ difference certainly not a £400 performance increase.

Getting slightly more performance for your money has never been cheap in the pc world .

Also if you bring overlocking into the equation (like you just did), a 4.6ghz 7820k seemingly trounces a 1800x at 4ghz in certain games -

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7820x-skylake-x,review-33961-5.html

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7820x-skylake-x,review-33961-6.html

look at the minimums especially in GTA V, Hitman, Project Cars and Tomb Raider.

I agree the 1700 is great bang for buck, and the Skylake X cpu's do seem to have issues in a few games but the 7820x can really take a commanding lead over Ryzen in some games, especially when overclocked.

I would never buy one, but I can see why some would and I think it is disingenuous to claim that AMD "smashes them to bits" and that they have no redeeming features.

 

[DragonQ]

If you're just talking about gaming, I really don't see the point of buying any Intel CPU unless you're using a GTX 1080 Ti at 1080p. Even if they are slightly faster in some cases, you will essentially always get a better uplift in experience by upgrading something else in the system. Going from 1080p to 1440p for example is going to be a much bigger improvement than going from 130 FPS to 145 FPS for most people.

What budget range justifies buying the 7820X? I'd be interested in seeing a build spec where it's actually a logical choice.

 

[DarkHorizon472]

It does not seem to offer good value for money compared to the alternatives. If most new games and software are multi core aware like BF1 etc. then it seems a bit pointless spending £400 extra for minimal gains, a better Gpu would offer a lot more improvement for the extra.

 

[humbug]

This is bobbins.

The 7820x costs about £100 more than a 1800x granted but it is decently faster - It is a head of the 1800x in every bench in this review bar Total War Warhammer

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/107947-intel-core-i7-7820x-14nm-skylake-x/?page=3

Again in this review it is ahead of the 1800x in everything bar civilisation in gaming, and in productivity stuff it really pulls away in a lot of benches

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7820x-skylake-x,review-33961-7.html

Saying that Ryzen "AMD smash them to bits in everyway" in simply false.

Comparing their 8 core 16 thread cpu's the 7820x is on average faster than the 1800x. For that you have to shell out £100 more yes, but whether that is worth it will be up to the buyer.

I don't think Skylake X is all that wonderful but it really isn't as bad as some are making out.

Add 20% to 40% to all Toms Hardware reviews as they have Ryzen running with 2666Mhz Ram.

 

[~>Dg<~]

just remember intel chips with faster ram will do the same.some massive gains are to be had especially in games like witcher 3.can be huge differences.

amd marketing are using intels cost to market the value of amd performance which is fine.they making nice performance cpus for the price you pay.they just not the fastest.some games intel are big chunks ahead.coffee lake will show a bigger gap but people from a amd perspective will just use the price of the cpu to try to downplay the performance.there is no need to.amd have the sector or are gaining on the sector they want.they wont beat intel.they too far ahead.

 

[humbug]

just remember intel chips with faster ram will do the same.some massive gains are to be had especially in games like witcher 3.can be huge differences.

Thats a nonsense, there is a sea of reviewers post Ryzen and for a long time before have tested this theory and all of them have come to the same conclusion, Faster RAM with Intel makes no real difference to performance.

Proof? i challenge you to find one, you wont and you know it.

 

[~>Dg<~]

It does not seem to offer good value for money compared to the alternatives. If most new games and software are multi core aware like BF1 etc. then it seems a bit pointless spending £400 extra for minimal gains, a better Gpu would offer a lot more improvement for the extra.

shall i tell you something about value ? the game you mentioned.bf1. is faster on a x99 cpu than ryzen.now, for those lucky to buy them you could buy 5820s for 200 over 2 years ago.ocd they will beat any ryzen in bf1.if you obviously get a good chip.so the funny thing is they have been the best value buy . a intel chip.

 

[~>Dg<~]

Thats a nonsense, there is a sea of reviewers post Ryzen and for a long time before have tested this theory and all of them have come to the same conclusion, Faster RAM with Intel makes no real difference to performance.

Proof? i challenge you to find one, you wont and you know it.

nonsense here np.

 

[humbug]

nonsense here np.

2133 vs 3200Mhz
132 FPS vs 149 FPS = 11%

11% is nothing, at that level with Ryzen its 40%

Yes, nonsense.

130 vs 185 = 41%

 

[~>Dg<~]

so it went up nearly 20 fps alone for ram and thats nonsense in witcher 3.lol.tough sell.

 

[humbug]

so it went up nearly 20 fps alone for ram and thats nonsense in witcher 3.lol.tough sell.

20 is not a lot when you're already doing well over 100, Ryzen went up nearly 60 FPS. that's a real difference.

Ryzen gains 3x more with memory scaling than Intel.

 

[~>Dg<~]

the thing is intel is faster so then you gain even more by the memory.so it doesnt matter how much amd ryzen scales if its still slower.does it ?

if witcher 3 is 120 fps on intel and 100 fps on ryzen the intel is quicker so the memory point is mute.regarless of if it scales 1000 percent.

 

[humbug]

the thing is intel is faster so then you gain even more by the memory.so it doesnt matter how much amd ryzen scales if its still slower.does it ?

if witcher 3 is 120 fps on intel and 100 fps on ryzen the intel is quicker so the memory point is mute.regarless of if it scales 1000 percent.

Its not though.

 

[ultrasavage]

Wow a lot of replies since I checked last night, all great valid points, i obviously like a bargain as much as the next guy, but as I love gaming and that's what I will primarily do with streaming occasionally on a 1440 monitor maybe the new intel is better for me. Already have a 1080. Wonder what the difference between a r7 @4.0ghz compared to a 7820 at a good overclock playing games that I play like pubg or h1z1. Then I can see and compare with the new coffee lake when it arrives. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[DarkHorizon472]

shall i tell you something about value ? the game you mentioned.bf1. is faster on a x99 cpu than ryzen.now, for those lucky to buy them you could buy 5820s for 200 over 2 years ago.ocd they will beat any ryzen in bf1.if you obviously get a good chip.so the funny thing is they have been the best value buy . a intel chip.

Nonsense

7820x is not good value unless you have a larger budget, good cooling, potentially deliding and already have a high level Gpu priced in.

 

[beany_bot]

In truth I am going to have a hard time choosing between 8700K and 1700.
Going to be tricky. If the 8700K is affordable and overclocks well with decent thermals....I dare say I would get it over Ryzen. A lot of the games I play are older and really love Hz. Also 12 threads is "plenty" for the light video and graphic rendering I do.

 

[gavinh87]

In truth I am going to have a hard time choosing between 8700K and 1700.
Going to be tricky. If the 8700K is affordable and overclocks well with decent thermals....I dare say I would get it over Ryzen. A lot of the games I play are older and really love Hz. Also 12 threads is "plenty" for the light video and graphic rendering I do.

It won't have decent thermals, you can bet on that.