New Entry level Case & PSU

Ace Modder said:
Questionable quality PSU's.

That makes me laugh. For a PC which doesnt use a dedicated GPU and running at stock (85% of the worlds PC's) then these are ideal.

I know that we have a big enthusiast base and for them this product isnt very useful. We do cater for all customer types though.
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Ace Modder said:
Sorry for the delay

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Reaper 392 said:
holy mother of god, thats the lowest 12V line ive ever seen on a 500W PSU. at 168W that PSU would blow just by powering a phenom II X4 955 and ANY graphics card that i can think of
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Sorry ace but I agree with the above!
 
-Mike- said:
Ouch dude, that PSU is a definate throw away item. Fourteen amps is terrible!

Edit : 168watts at 12v
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it may well be, and it certainly isn't going to be powering a fermi gpu.
but it comes with a case and costs less than £30
I get the impression that you expect a lot more?


its hardly going to be as good as an AX1200 is it?

you seem to have some sort of crusade on at the moment Mike.

its a budget power supply. why are you acting so surprised that it is a low end product?

your recent posts seem quite critical, I cant see why. :confused:
 
Why do you guys kick up such a fuss over something you're obviously never going to buy?

It's like buying a KA and having a go at the Ford dealer because the optional extras on the GT are too expensive.

Jeez, go rant about something else.

Isn't it just easier to say "Well done OcUK for offering a better range of products".

Life, needed.
 
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It's not like someone is going to put the money they save on case & psu towards a 590.

Something like this great for small htpc, or just a general office jobby
 
Robi said:
Why do you guys kick up such a fuss over something you're obviously never going to buy?

It's like buying a KA and having a go at the Ford dealer because the optional extras on the GT are too expensive.

Jeez, go rant about something else.

Isn't it just easier to say "Well done OcUk for offering a better range of products".

Life, needed.
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we're complaining because with a PSU like that someone could easily think it would power an entry level gaming system. 500W they would think, thats plenty for my i3 2100 and a tiny little graphics card. as soon as they turned it on they would be scratching their head as to why it's blown up infront of their face and their lovely tech has died.

before i came on these forums i would have happily bought that case + PSU for my PC because i had literally no idea about all these rails and what part of the PC needed what amount of power, especially since power supply calculators would have said a 500W PSU would be plenty.

i would happily stop complaining if it was advertised exactly what this PSU could output on the product page in Watts on each rail, because then its the buyers own fault if they try and power something more than a toothbrush off of it

however, looking at that PSU it is not capable of delivering its stated 500W. if you add up every single line it comes out as 442.5W. ace, could you confirm/deny of this PSU is the one with two 12V rails, because advertising it as a 500W PSU when it clearly isnt is a bit cheeky (not by you, by CIT)
 
Reaper 392 said:
we're complaining because with a PSU like that someone could easily think it would power an entry level gaming system. 500W they would think, thats plenty for my i3 2100 and a tiny little graphics card. as soon as they turned it on they would be scratching their head as to why it's blown up infront of their face and their lovely tech has died.

before i came on these forums i would have happily bought that case + PSU for my PC because i had literally no idea about all these rails and what part of the PC needed what amount of power, especially since power supply calculators would have said a 500W PSU would be plenty.

however, looking at that PSU it is not capable of delivering its stated 500W. if you add up every single line it comes out as 442.5W. ace, could you confirm/deny of this PSU is the one with two 12V rails, because advertising it as a 500W PSU when it clearly isnt is a bit cheeky (not by you, by CIT)
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Building a new PC? Then this is a great entry level case with a 500w PSU pre-fitted. The case is finished off with an all black interior to give a great look and feel.

- Dimensions (mm): 180mm x 360mm x 425mm (W x H x D)
- Body Material: 0.5mm, SGCC
- Front Bezel Material: Plastic
- Side Panel: Vented
- External Bays: 2 x 5.25” / 2 x 3.5”
- Internal Bays: 3 x 3.5” Internal
- Expansion Slots: 4 Full Size
- Cooling Front: None
- Cooling Top: None
- Cooling Rear: 1 x 80mm Fan
- Cooling Side: None
- Cooling Bottom: None
- IO Ports: 2 x USB 2.0
- 1 x HD Audio (Supports AC'97 Audio too)
- 1 x Microphone
- PSU Included: 500W with 120mm Fan
- Net Weight (KGs): 4.8 KGs
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Where in that description does it mention the word gaming?

Your argument is utter tripe, go rant at CIT, not OcUK.
 
Robi said:
Where in that description does it mention the word gaming?

Your argument is utter tripe, go rant at CIT, not OcUK.
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it doesnt, it says entry level PSU + case. i did not say it was an entry level gaming PSU either, i said people would THINK it could power an entry level gaming system, so can you please stop being so insulting.

i am saying this from my own experience from before i came on the forums because i thought the far superior OcUK swift would power what i needed being a 500W PSU because not everyone knows about the details of PSUs.

also, if you read my edit you'll see exactly what my argument is: people dont know how bad this PSU is, so they could really do with being told. by the looks of things CiT tell people quite clearly what amps it can produce on each line, and if that isnt enough then customers would look elsewhere. my main complaint is that OcUK tell you almost nothing about this PSU, other than that its 500W, which we all know is almost irrelevant but people who dont know about these things would think its plenty

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having reread some of the thread, i think its best i put aside all the arguing and insults from both sides and just summarise my thoughts objectively:
- the case is great considering the price
- the PSU is terrible if it only has 1 12V rail at 14A and is rated for 500W. this is worse than i would expect at this price point. i didnt even know 500W PSU's came with this low a rating on the 12V line
if the PSU has the power ratings i found for the CiT black 500W then its about what i would expect for a budget 500W PSU, prehaps slightly better.
- i am not denying there is a market for this kind of PSU. i would have almost certainly bought something like that myself if i hadnt come on the forums for advice. it wouldnt surprise me if this type of PSU outsold the lower end decent branded PSU's
- my main complaint is the lack of information on the PSU on the product page. (lets face it, almost no one will dig up this thread to find the power ratings). people who dont know about PSU's could think that it will be enough to power a lot more than it can because of the lack of information. it says its great for an entry level PC, but different people have different opinions on what an entry level PC is. with only 14A to play with on the 12V line, some peoples idea of an entry level PC will exceed what this PSU can deliver
- a minor complaint of mine is that you cant get the case without the PSU, because that would make a fantastic budget case if it was priced correctly
- a complaint of mine that shouldnt be aimed at OcUK is that theres a market for these PSUs, which i fear has been seeping into my posts above and i apologise for that
 
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rjkoneill said:
nah, it would need support for a RAID 10 array and a Quadro ;)

I really don't understand why a £30 budget case is up for so much debate.
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the case is great, its the PSU thats causing all the problems. assuming that removing the PSU reduced the price a bit then i'd be recommending it to the guy asking for an entry level PC for light gaming in GD right now. (as it is i've recommended the OcUK flamingo)
check my edit for my thoughts, because i dont want to argue about it any more and im sure you dont either
 
rjkoneill said:
nah, it would need support for a RAID 10 array and a Quadro ;)

I really don't understand why a £30 budget case is up for so much debate.
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Your sarcasm is pretty poor dude........ These are fine for office systems that we have at work, the PSU is STILL NOT. Thats my point. The damn psu doesn't even have enough sata connectors for a raid setup and dvdrw drive.

Every business system I build has a small raid array and a writer drive. I wouldn't want to be buying adapters for power.

The psu is only up for debate as quite frankly its got specs like it was made for a p3 600 or similar, and I very much doubt it would run anything remotely modern with its output. Ace was very suggestive that its absolutely fine for a normal pc!

As I said the case is a bargain, CIT aren't the best built cases but they are very good VFM. As I also stated, the price of it means the psu could be a throw away item, and really should be!
 
As the PSU is only 168w on the +12V line, and most of a modern PC, regardless of its power consumption, runs from the 12V line, should this not be "OcUK Imp MicroATX Tower Case (230w PSU) @ £28.99 inc VAT"
 
-Mike- said:
Your sarcasm is pretty poor dude........ These are fine for office systems that we have at work, the PSU is STILL NOT. Thats my point. The damn psu doesn't even have enough sata connectors for a raid setup and dvdrw drive.

Every business system I build has a small raid array and a writer drive. I wouldn't want to be buying adapters for power.

The psu is only up for debate as quite frankly its got specs like it was made for a p3 600 or similar, and I very much doubt it would run anything remotely modern with its output. Ace was very suggestive that its absolutely fine for a normal pc!

As I said the case is a bargain, CIT aren't the best built cases but they are very good VFM. As I also stated, the price of it means the psu could be a throw away item, and really should be!
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Seriously RAID in standard office PC's? I work for OcUK and even we do not have raid drives for our machines. My work PC has a dual core Intel CPU with a P45 motherboard and 4GB RAM and a single 500GB HDD. My machine is perfectly fine for what I need it for at work.

I do also have a GPU to enable me to use 2 x 26" screens. The GPU is a 5750 which requires no external power other than from the PCI-E slot. Never had a problem.

I use windows 7, and use Fireworks for image editting, and our own custom internal software to create products/descriptions etc. I also use Office 2010 and various tools. The PSU in this machine is fine and it is a "generic PSU". I will open it up tomorrow and see what the PSU is and show you that a generic PSU of this kind of wattage is fine for an office/browser PC.
 
Our computers at work are critical to the operation of the business..... as presumably are yours. We can't afford down time, data corruption or to lose individual machines.

Yes we have a few servers, a web server and other hardware but the reliability of each terminal is essential six days a week. We carry spare power supplies (corsair and enermax), spare monitors, keyboards, mice and hard drives. Should a core piece of hardware fail, I can order it from our chosen supplier and have it delivered next day. The likelyhood of motherboard // cpu failure is slim though.

You say even yourself at ocuk don't have decent hardware, well given your turnover is possibly approaching ours these days I'm surprised that you don't have better stuff!

So yes, we have raid. Two WD drives in each machine. For the additional cost of a single hard drive the benefits far outweigh the small increased cost. I'm surprised that ocuk would use cheap no name psu's in their own office systems.

What you use your pc for is basic office tasks mate, 5770 hardly draws a lot of current using MS office.

The machines at work were spec'd to ensure that they ran as reliably as possible, this included a decent psu, decent hard drive setup and whatever else.

Fact is ace, this is why they work so well, and we don't buy business pc's from anywhere as most places - yourself included don't offer onsite service which is a massive no no for any real business customer. Some of the machines are on 24/7 and having a no name psu which is probably 500x more likely to burn the office down is quite a high priority for us.
 
ace, any chance of knowing what processor you've got. i wouldnt mind just testing out a little theory of mine :)

also, mike, why should the OcUK staff get shiny new computers just for office work? i can totally understand going for a little raid1 setup in there, but surely a core2duo and 4GB ram is plenty for simple office work. the only advantage i can see of getting new stuff is lower power consumption, because how much faster do you really need to open MS word?
 
We don't have new computers mate, they are all Core2duo's currently with the plan being to replace them at the beginning of next year (well april). The old machines are then fitted with new hard drives, windows reinstalled and given to local primary schools.
 
thanks :)
just having a look around the interweb, and are you sure the 5750 doesnt need a 6 pin PCIe to go in it anywhere? everywhere i look (including the AMD site) says it needs 1x 6 pin PCIe connector.

ATI say that it needs 86W under load, so i believe that means a 6 pin PCIe connector is required because, if i remember correctly, the motherboard can only give 50W through the PCIe slots
 
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