New Entry level Case & PSU

[Reaper 392]

I will double check it tomorrow to be sure.

its not that important, but i will make the point that the CiT PSU wouldnt stand up to a stress test of your machine (that is unless the motherboard, RAM, DVD drive, hard drive and fan can use 13W or less between them on the 12V line)

 

[andy_mk3]

I think there's way too much hardware snobbery going on lately here. I do agree that a cheap PSU is no good for an i5 SB build. But this is aimed at people running older hardware or low-end new stuff with on-board graphics etc. The PSU in that case would run a basic PC no problem.

For £30, a case and a PSU, you can't expect a lot. Personally I think it's a fantastic deal for the case alone.

 

[DavieJG]

I do understand the concerns of some on here regarding the PSU. Really it's a 300W psu and will trick a fair few, but that's not OCUKs fault it's CiTs.

An extra note in the description would be nice:

14A on PSU 12v line, please check this is sufficient for your system.

It may hurt sales - but it would be the responsible thing to do.

Example - i think i know a thing or two about computers so i spec something up and use an online psu calc to work out the recommended wattage. My system i5 750, HD5850, 2HDD, 5 case fans, fan controller comes out at 468W. I'm on a budget so i buy this little gem, wire my pride and joy up and flash, bang, fizz.....

 

[Reaper 392]

I do understand the concerns of some on here regarding the PSU. Really it's a 300W psu and will trick a fair few, but that's not OCUKs fault it's CiTs.

An extra note in the description would be nice:

14A on PSU 12v line, please check this is sufficient for your system.

It may hurt sales - but it would be the responsible thing to do.

Example - i think i know a thing or two about computers so i spec something up and use an online psu calc to work out the recommended wattage. My system i5 750, HD5850, 2HDD, 5 case fans, fan controller comes out at 468W. I'm on a budget so i buy this little gem, wire my pride and joy up and flash, bang, fizz.....

thats exactly what im trying to say, couldnt have put it better myself

 

[panyan]

i have just used one of these cheap cases + psu's for my parents build (check my build logs) and im temped to replace it with a spare that i have:

EDIT:

i think i might

holy mother of god, thats the lowest 12V line ive ever seen on a 500W PSU. at 168W

350W FSP -> 275W
500W CiT -> 168W

i think i might swap it out for the FSP

 

[Ace Modder]

I do understand the concerns of some on here regarding the PSU. Really it's a 300W psu and will trick a fair few, but that's not OCUKs fault it's CiTs.

An extra note in the description would be nice:

14A on PSU 12v line, please check this is sufficient for your system.

It may hurt sales - but it would be the responsible thing to do.

Example - i think i know a thing or two about computers so i spec something up and use an online psu calc to work out the recommended wattage. My system i5 750, HD5850, 2HDD, 5 case fans, fan controller comes out at 468W. I'm on a budget so i buy this little gem, wire my pride and joy up and flash, bang, fizz.....

I see your point, however anyone building a i5 system with a 5850 (or any dedicated GPU) I would expect to have the knowledge of not using a PSU like this At the end of the day they know enough to build the system! As I stated previously - this isn't intended for a system with medium/high end components. I'm more than happy to add a disclaimer to the product when back in the office tomorrow then if you feel it necessary.

 

[Reaper 392]

I see your point, however anyone building a i5 system with a 5850 (or any dedicated GPU) I would expect to have the knowledge of not using a PSU like this At the end of the day they know enough to build the system! As I stated previously - this isn't intended for a system with medium/high end components. I'm more than happy to add a disclaimer to the product when back in the office tomorrow then if you feel it necessary.

building a system is super easy. as i said if it wasnt for the forums i would have made that mistake myself (except it would have been with a slightly lower end graphics card, because OcUK encouraged me to get something better than a 5770, which i am eternally grateful for)

 

[DavieJG]

I see your point, however anyone building a i5 system with a 5850 (or any dedicated GPU) I would expect to have the knowledge of not using a PSU like this At the end of the day they know enough to build the system! As I stated previously - this isn't intended for a system with medium/high end components. I'm more than happy to add a disclaimer to the product when back in the office tomorrow then if you feel it necessary.

In my experience, even some relatively tech savvy people will pick a number from a PC component and that's what determines what it is.

i.e. what's your CPU? - "it's a 3GHz", what's your graphics card - "its a 512MB", what's your PSU? - "it's a 500w". We've all heard this.

Everyone that has posted in this thread knows exactly what this PSU should and shouldn't be used for, but the bulk of people buying this will not. Many will buy a "500W" from a site called "overclockers" and expect the world. Youtube will happily tell anyone how to put all the parts together.

I think a disclaimer would be a prudent move.

 

[Mr Krugga]

it may well be, and it certainly isn't going to be powering a fermi gpu.
but it comes with a case and costs less than £30
I get the impression that you expect a lot more?


its hardly going to be as good as an AX1200 is it?

you seem to have some sort of crusade on at the moment Mike.

its a budget power supply. why are you acting so surprised that it is a low end product?

your recent posts seem quite critical, I cant see why.

I think there's way too much hardware snobbery going on lately here. I do agree that a cheap PSU is no good for an i5 SB build. But this is aimed at people running older hardware or low-end new stuff with on-board graphics etc. The PSU in that case would run a basic PC no problem.

For £30, a case and a PSU, you can't expect a lot. Personally I think it's a fantastic deal for the case alone.

Nowhere does it say "This PSU is not suitable for any modern PC and many older systems. Please be aware of this and use it at your own risk."

The fact of the matter is, these PSUs are likely to fail under load. Even though they're obviously not suitable for overclocking, a normal guy who knows **** nothing about computers and wants to save as much money on his hardware as possible will get his OMGUBERHIPER 2GB DDR2 graphics card with this and a cheap quad-core CPU because somebody told him "500W is more than enough". Or he read that at a description of his graphics card on Nvidia/AMD website.

There is simply not enough information about generic PSUs available to general public. Knowing that this (unaware customers) is the market for this no-name machines, they won't be able to tell if their rigs are fine to work with these machines or not.

Besides the efficiency that is probably pretty terrible, we have reliability in the long-term as budget customers are likely to keep their rigs running until something fails and that may be years if only the PSU used wasn't this CIT or whatever it is. You say you can provide use with return rates in 6 and 12 months time. How about you do it in 3-4 years time? Are they even warranted for that period of time? I personally wouldn't recommend OcUK to do so because the return rates may be pretty high at that point.

There would be no problem if this PSU was rated at 220W. Because that's what it really is capable of and I wouldn't dare to plug anything remotely decent to it.

BTW, I see no problem with OcUK selling these bundles, it's just my personal opinion on these products.