Agreed, a cost that will be passed from the ISP to the consumer. Yet again the tax payer pays to stitch themselves up.
New file sharing laws
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Agreed, a cost that will be passed from the ISP to the consumer. Yet again the tax payer pays to stitch themselves up.
So if I type you a letter, save it in MS word and then email it to you, or heaven forbid, I upload my letter to a P2P service (file sharing), the vast majotity would agree that it its wrong?
The law needs to be modifed, not the business model.
Sex with minors was a pretty standard 'model' not so long back.
The business will then fall into line with what the consumer demands, rather than what the business is prepared to provide.
So if I type you a letter, save it in MS word and then email it to you, or heaven forbid, I upload my letter to a P2P service (file sharing), the vast majotity would agree that it its wrong?
a) You are deliberately playing semantics for god knows what reason.
b) You were genuinely confused and must have some sort of severe learning disability to not understand context.
If it's the latter I'm sorry I know it's wrong to mock the handicapped.
So if I type you a letter, save it in MS word and then email it to you, or heaven forbid, I upload my letter to a P2P service (file sharing), the vast majotity would agree that it its wrong?
Er, no, because you would own the copyright. What you do with your copyright is your own business.
Oh, and I would never argue that internet access is a human right. It isn't. It would be a major pain in the bum for me to be without it, but you know what - many people do just that. Doesn't mean I can't be against some ill-conceived plan to force ISPs to defend the IP of the music/film industry. They're more than capable of defending their own IP.
I do agree with the theory that people need to be accountable for the actions that are taken on their WiFi connection. This is something most likely in the terms and conditions of their contract. However, problems will occur. Here is where I see the problems.
1/. The reasonable precautions that people may take are readily hackable by anyone with Google and a modicum of intelligence to follow instructions.
2/. I find it very interesting that when the likes of Phorm are collecting peoples' IP addresses then this is ok according to our beloved government as this is not identifying personal information. Yet now an IP address is sufficient to get your internet stopped just because it has appeared on a torrent tracker. Even though trackers often spoof IP addresses and changing your IP address on a tracker is easy.
3/. There is a presumption of guilt not innocence about this. Surely, this is against EU legislation even if not UK.
4/. It will be easy to circumvent with a VPN or using a seedbox in another country.
5/. The music and film industry, in the main, have still failed to provide a modern service that is as efficient as pirating sites at a reasonable price. I find it quite amazing that I saw a relatively new album prided at 5.99 on an advert yesterday when ten years ago that would have been 15.99. It is quite clear that excessive profit was being made and people know this. Yes I think everyone needs paying including industry executives -but I don't think they need the finances to live on beluga caviar, cocaine and drive Ferraris.
Overall though I think that artists need to earn money and we don't want to have new and exciting actors and musicians failing. However, I think the whole music/film industry need to change their practices into something that is fairer for the consumer along with the lesser known musicians. Scrap DRM give everyone a fair deal and then punish people who wrong then. But at the moment people are going to attending appeal hearings with no way to prove their innocence and no way to protect themselves adequately. Back to running cables everywhere I guess.
1/. The reasonable precautions that people may take are readily hackable by anyone with Google and a modicum of intelligence to follow instructions.
2/. I find it very interesting that when the likes of Phorm are collecting peoples' IP addresses then this is ok according to our beloved government as this is not identifying personal information. Yet now an IP address is sufficient to get your internet stopped just because it has appeared on a torrent tracker. Even though trackers often spoof IP addresses and changing your IP address on a tracker is easy.
3/. There is a presumption of guilt not innocence about this. Surely, this is against EU legislation even if not UK.
4/. It will be easy to circumvent with a VPN or using a seedbox in another country.
5/. The music and film industry, in the main, have still failed to provide a modern service that is as efficient as pirating sites at a reasonable price. I find it quite amazing that I saw a relatively new album prided at 5.99 on an advert yesterday when ten years ago that would have been 15.99. It is quite clear that excessive profit was being made and people know this. Yes I think everyone needs paying including industry executives -but I don't think they need the finances to live on beluga caviar, cocaine and drive Ferraris.
Overall though I think that artists need to earn money and we don't want to have new and exciting actors and musicians failing. However, I think the whole music/film industry need to change their practices into something that is fairer for the consumer along with the lesser known musicians. Scrap DRM give everyone a fair deal and then punish people who wrong then. But at the moment people are going to attending appeal hearings with no way to prove their innocence and no way to protect themselves adequately. Back to running cables everywhere I guess.
I am not arguing that internet access is a human right, per se, I am arguing that to have certain 'qualities of life' taken away from you, be it a driving licence or internet access etc, without any proper legal process, is indeed a breach of human rights.
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The whole problem of digital piracy comes down to absolute, abject and thorough failure of the market players to embrace it.
First they fear it.
Second they try to kill it.
Thirdly they reconcile with it.
iTunes has shown that the model works, but how many legitimate services (backed by the studios) provide 'Full quality movie downloads at a reasonable cost'? I can think of one, which is netflix through X360.
Get together, get a free, secure, accessible and open platform for all this stuff to go through and just bloody well do it.
A media distribution service based around a 'Steam-like' content control and distribution model would be so incredibly superior to everyone else available on the market right now. With a centralised body, record labels could be petitioned to re-release and even remaster old music directly.
Where is the down side? There isn't one. It's just the studios being ****ing incompetent as usual.
First they fear it.
Second they try to kill it.
Thirdly they reconcile with it.
iTunes has shown that the model works, but how many legitimate services (backed by the studios) provide 'Full quality movie downloads at a reasonable cost'? I can think of one, which is netflix through X360.
Get together, get a free, secure, accessible and open platform for all this stuff to go through and just bloody well do it.
A media distribution service based around a 'Steam-like' content control and distribution model would be so incredibly superior to everyone else available on the market right now. With a centralised body, record labels could be petitioned to re-release and even remaster old music directly.
Where is the down side? There isn't one. It's just the studios being ****ing incompetent as usual.
You breach a contract, that contract is terminated.
How can you cry foul in those circumstances?
If the contract has not been properly proven to be breached, as in legaly proven, not just judged and sentenced by some flawed and obscure data miner software, you can cry foul, that is exactly my point.
But we are not really talking about contract law, more human rights.
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The ISP can terminate the contract on their terms, which would include the "flawed and obscure data miner software" that you see fit to criticise with presumably no real knowledge of how it works.
Yes they could as a breach of contract, but they do not. The ISPs do not want to do this as they are aware of the massive admin cost it would require for them to 'properly' prove in court any dudious copyright breaches.
If they (ISPs) start cutting people off, they know full well they will start seeing breach of contract defence cases in retaliation due to flawed reasons for the cut-offs.
It seems the government is attempting to force thier hand based on some very shakey assumptions, the government seem to think they can make the issue go away by bypassing the normal way of holding people to account over such matters (civil court action - copyright hiolder Vs alleged copyright infringer), not only that, they think they can offset the cost of this nonsence to the ISP and in turn the subscriber and/or tax payer.
Why do you think some of the most unlikely ISPs have spoken out about this? BT and TalkTalk to name but 2.
Well I'm pretty much self policing.
If I can legally purchase something then I will.
If I find there's no way to legally purchase something then I'll find other means to obtain it.
I still find it shocking that in 2009 Europe is still divided into 27 small segments when it comes to music and TV rights.
Should it be against the law for me to legally buy music from a european seller of my choosing?
PS If someone can find me a belgian site selling music or even a site that allows you to buy music in Belgium I'd be very grateful as I've been looking for one for ages now.
(apart from I tunes that is.)
Furthermore why can't I purchase and English speaking sports channel when living in Belgium? There are no English speaking sports broadcasters in Belgium so why can't I buy the service from the UK?
So if I can legally buy a service I will.
If I can legally purchase something then I will.
If I find there's no way to legally purchase something then I'll find other means to obtain it.
I still find it shocking that in 2009 Europe is still divided into 27 small segments when it comes to music and TV rights.
Should it be against the law for me to legally buy music from a european seller of my choosing?
PS If someone can find me a belgian site selling music or even a site that allows you to buy music in Belgium I'd be very grateful as I've been looking for one for ages now.
(apart from I tunes that is.)Furthermore why can't I purchase and English speaking sports channel when living in Belgium? There are no English speaking sports broadcasters in Belgium so why can't I buy the service from the UK?
So if I can legally buy a service I will.
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This is half my point about broken business practices. The media industry is so outdated and greedy, they make it difficult for many, many people to legally purchase all the content they want at a reasonable price point. I'm not saying people are entitled to this content, but it is backward and ultimately only hurts the media industry themselves.
I agree!
Torrents have a legitimate use, and the politicians clearly know nothing about what they are proposing.
BAN THE ROADS, PEOPLE SPEED ON THEM!
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yea! and if your car gets stolen and mows some elderly lady down who then later dies you should be charged with murder for not having your car secured at all times
