New file sharing laws

BigglesPiP · 22 Nov 2009 at 20:58

Berserker said:
Do these petitions ever have any impact?

Not criticising, just asking.

I've had the following responses to signing these petitions:

- There is no plan to ban the Red Arrows from the London Olympics.
- There in no plan to ban old cars in Europe.
- And some long waffle saying no to something without aver addressing the issue.

So most of the time these petitions are based on myths, and the rest of the time they are ignored.

mmj_uk · 22 Nov 2009 at 22:01

ISPs won't be very happy about losing business because of a few mega rich corporations lobbying the government into police state measures.

I have no doubt pirates will find a way around it but the government don't care about piracy, they just want more control.

RoboCod · 22 Nov 2009 at 22:41

Dolph said:
I'm struggling to see why I should sign a petition against personal responsibility myself...

Keep posting in the thread. It bumps to the top = more people liekly to sign. Cheers,

edscdk · 23 Nov 2009 at 10:13

would it not be easier to block the downlaod sites? trackers require a centralised server..

all they ahve to do is allow the ISP's to block IP's.... much cheaper easier than doing it the other way round...

stoofa · 23 Nov 2009 at 10:32

Nah - I won't be signing.
Two main reasons:

1. They NEVER EVER achieve anything.
2. I actually agree about cutting off thieves from the net.

mattyfez · 23 Nov 2009 at 13:24

stoofa said:
2. I actually agree about cutting off thieves from the net.

You clearly do not undersand the implications of cutting people off who have not been proven to be copyright infringers.

I should also point out that a 'Thief' has committed the act of theft, a criminal offence whereby somebody is permenantly deprived of thier property.

Copyright infringement is a civil offence and certainly not theft... one wonders what they are teaching kids in school these days... :rolleyes:

Vonhelmet · 23 Nov 2009 at 13:34

arknor said:
yea! and if your car gets stolen and mows some elderly lady down who then later dies you should be charged with murder for not having your car secured at all times

As has already been discussed, car ownership implies responsibility for the use of that car up to the point that you can show that someone went beyond reasonable limits of what you could be responsible for i.e. they stole it, etc.

And as has also already been discussed, you don't sign a contract agreeing to keep your car locked at all times.

Trifid · 23 Nov 2009 at 13:35

mattyfez said:
Copyright infringement is a civil offence and certainly not theft... one wonders what they are teaching kids in school these days...

Certainly not how to create the next Pirate Bay.

Vonhelmet · 23 Nov 2009 at 13:35

mattyfez said:
Copyright infringement is a civil offence and certainly not theft... one wonders what they are teaching kids in school these days...

I'd like to know of any school curriculum in the history of the world that has taught the difference between criminal and civil offences, the definition of copyright infringement, and the definition of theft.

Vonhelmet · 23 Nov 2009 at 13:36

edscdk said:
would it not be easier to block the downlaod sites? trackers require a centralised server..

all they ahve to do is allow the ISP's to block IP's.... much cheaper easier than doing it the other way round...

Nah, because - ironically - torrents have legitimate uses and blocking the central server prevents that.

edscdk · 23 Nov 2009 at 14:13

ask the site to remove the content, if they dont and dont have a valid reason for not doing to block their IP...

Tefal · 23 Nov 2009 at 14:33

edscdk said:
ask the site to remove the content, if they dont and dont have a valid reason for not doing to block their IP...

But the site isn't hosting any content...

Tefal · 23 Nov 2009 at 14:35

vonhelmet said:
I'd like to know of any school curriculum in the history of the world that has taught the difference between criminal and civil offences, the definition of copyright infringement, and the definition of theft.

For a grammar Nazi you seem to be lacking in the basics of English lit.

Le_Petit_Lapin · 27 Nov 2009 at 11:53

RobH · 27 Nov 2009 at 13:09

These guys are our EFF and are probably going to be more effective than a petition, there is a lot of good information about these proposed laws there. http://www.openrightsgroup.org

Vonhelmet · 27 Nov 2009 at 13:17

Tefal said:
For a grammar Nazi you seem to be lacking in the basics of English lit.

What's that supposed to mean?

Legal matters aren't on the English Lit. curriculum, so what's your point?

mattheman · 27 Nov 2009 at 13:27

how long till the masses move to usernet Giganews etc this too will be closed down.

Le_Petit_Lapin · 27 Nov 2009 at 13:38

mattheman said:
how long till the masses move to usernet Giganews etc this too will be closed down.

They wont, because "the masses" don't want to pay a single penny for what they download.

mattyfez · 27 Nov 2009 at 13:56

Le_Petit_Lapin said:
They wont, because "the masses" don't want to pay a single penny for what they download.

For those with reasonable ISPs it is a very attractive option, as yes you pay a small fee, but the DL speed is huge... the constricting thing here is ISPs that strangle people for using a connection that they have already paid for.

BubbySoup · 27 Nov 2009 at 15:05

edscdk said:
ask the site to remove the content, if they dont and dont have a valid reason for not doing to block their IP...

They don't actually host any content, just signposts to where the content is being held (on user's PC's).

Amusingly, many sites actually operate a take down scheme - if the copyright holder contacts them regarding a torrent link that is breaching their copyright, the site will remove it. Of course, due to the nature of torrents, it would be almost impossible for the copyright holders to police these sites effectively - as quickly as they ask for links to be removed, new ones would take their place.