New filters for the win

Greg · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:00

Matt82 said:
well DDC, whilst pretty much mechanically pointless on a almost new car (most likely a company car etc) i imagine it would give a smoother down change if you got it right but.. still pretty pointless.

maybe he means he gives a small blip whilst between gears on a downchange to match the revs etc.

*shrug*

whatever the case, he likes his new filter

Thats what i do, I match the road speed with the wheels, but when I'm blipping the throttle, the car is in neutral and the clutch is all the way out.

See post above as to why, before anyone quotes this! :rolleyes:

edit: Bah, one on the previous page

Also, Fox, why on earth do you think, after over 6 years of being a member of this forum, best part of 8000 posts and always posting in motors forum, why do you think i'm trying to act 'big'?

Truth: You just are completely arguementative!

Or j00 mu5t b3 t3h k1ng 0f t3h 1nt3rn3t0r!

thepharcyde · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:14

Greg said:
I really have no need to boast or 'willy wave' or what ever you want to call it.

George Carlin calls it '***** waving'

What is double clutching anyhow? Have you noticed a throatier sound with the K&N even though it is a panel filter? I loved the sound my ST170 made with a Typhoon

greg said:
Truth: You just are completely arguementative!

That is just Fox!

Greg · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:15

thepharcyde said:
George Carlin calls it '***** waving'

What is double clutching anyhow? Have you noticed a throatier sound with the K&N even though it is a panel filter? I loved the sound my ST170 made with a Typhoon

No change in sound that i've noticed, just a change in responsivness and no more judders as the turbo kicks in. Its made the whole ride smoother.

barnettgs · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:31

Greg said:
My question is, why do they bother putting standard filters in when they manufacture the car? I supose its the spares thing isn't it. more money?!

I think the reason is the simplicity of swapping over the standard filter rather than damaging K&N filter by poor cleaning method or lack of/failure to proper oiling.

Does panel needs to be cleaned/oiled every 50k miles or...? I have Mondeo TDDI, might consider to get it.

Greg · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:35

barnettgs said:
I think the reason is the simplicity of swapping over the standard filter rather than damaging K&N filter by poor cleaning method or lack of/failure to proper oiling.

Does panel needs to be cleaned/oiled every 50k miles or...? I have Mondeo TDDI, might consider to get it.

As far as I know it can be washed, and yes, it needs to be lubricated at certain mileage intervals. I'm not entirely sure what they are though.

As you have a mondeo diesel you'll know where many of the flat spots are. Not sure if you have the same engine as i, i've the 2.2 but the 2.0 and 2.2 are very similar. Its the same bore size, just a longer stroke I've been told. Oh and it has Transit Van crank rods!

I find on mine the spots that it used to 'hesitate at' were just before 2K and just before 3 when you booted it. Now, with this new filter, clearly because its breathing better the responce has improved greatly!

Conanius · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:38

Duke said:
Yep they are always a good cheap mod, in any car.

duke, did you try one in your puma?

Dogbreath · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:48

Greg said:
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I never realised how restricting the standard filter is in comparison to this K&N one. My question is, why do they bother putting standard filters in when they manufacture the car? I supose its the spares thing isn't it. more money?!

Because manufacturers like their filters to filter properly. Whilst "adequate" for most applications, K&N generaly don't filter as well as paper elements. They can also cause problems with MAF sensors (i.e. as fitted to your Mondeo) if incorrectly oiled.

The difference in aiflow between a new quality paper filter and a K&N panel is really very small in most instances.

Rich1988 · 14 Jul 2007 at 20:57

Gaijin said:
Don't get so wound up Greg, once you get used to Fox's trolling, its really not so bad here

To be fair Fox has a perfectly valid point and in this case isnt trolling, to be honest I dont think he really 'trolls' just sometimes is a little blunt and says what others are thinking

JediFragger · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:11

Rich1988 said:
To be fair Fox has a perfectly valid point and in this case isnt trolling, to be honest I dont think he really 'trolls' just sometimes is a little blunt and says what others are thinking

Yeah he's the forum mascot. An irritating mascot, but a mascot all the same

Gojira · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:24

Rich1988 said:
To be fair Fox has a perfectly valid point and in this case isnt trolling, to be honest I dont think he really 'trolls' just sometimes is a little blunt and says what others are thinking

Yep, Fox isn't a troll, by any stretch of the imagination.

Even when he is TRYING to be annoying, which isn't that often, he pales into insignificance compared to some of the real trolls out on the big wide internet

No, I'm not going to name names, because I know some of them google for any reference to their nom-de flames :rolleyes:

Alan Woodford

Foghorn Leghorn · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:24

Dogbreath said:
The difference in aiflow between a new quality paper filter and a K&N panel is really very small in most instances.

The difference in filtering isn't though, they're probably one of the worst quality I've seen.
Worrying when you hold a brand new filter up to the light and can see random patches of daylight through it, crap.

Fog

barnettgs · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:31

Can anyone explains clearly to me...Does K&N filters better than standard one or not..?!

Duke · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:31

Conanius said:
duke, did you try one in your puma?

Yeah had a cone to begin with (which sounded great), but changed back to airbox with panel filter later. It still sounded good and was smoother. The Puma sold last week - only took 4 days - so haven't got it anymore

However I do have a nice cheque

Enfield · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:35

I put a BMC panel filter in my ATR and it has made a very noticeable difference in noise and a little more in performance though the noise might be making me think it's going faster...

Double-de-clutching is stupid. Why press the clutch twice for one down shift when you can press it once and blip the throttle while it's engaged getting the same effect?

Foghorn Leghorn · 14 Jul 2007 at 21:54

barnettgs said:
Can anyone explains clearly to me...Does K&N filters better than standard one or not..?!

There are two ways you can flow more air, increase the surface area of the filter dramatically, or reduce the filtering. A replacement panel filter does the latter, lets more air (alledgedly) and also lets more crap in.

So to answer you're question, no it doesn't filter better than standard filters, in fact doesn't filter anywhere as good as a standard filter.

Fog

barnettgs · 14 Jul 2007 at 22:13

Foghorn Leghorn said:
There are two ways you can flow more air, increase the surface area of the filter dramatically, or reduce the filtering. A replacement panel filter does the latter, lets more air (alledgedly) and also lets more crap in.

So to answer you're question, no it doesn't filter better than standard filters, in fact doesn't filter anywhere as good as a standard filter.

Fog

Thanks, it makes sense to me.

Foghorn Leghorn · 14 Jul 2007 at 22:26

You're welcome

Fog

Gaijin · 14 Jul 2007 at 22:50

Rich1988 said:
To be fair Fox has a perfectly valid point and in this case isnt trolling, to be honest I dont think he really 'trolls' just sometimes is a little blunt and says what others are thinking

Indeed he does, if you read my posts you'll see that I agree with him in principle

He just doesnt need to be so obnoxious about it.

I called him a troll in jest - hence the smilie. I think we all know that Fox pales in comparison to some of the ******* idiots on the internet

atpbx · 14 Jul 2007 at 22:52

cyclopopcicle said:
how does double declutching make gear changes smooth?
you say it was how you was taught, when did you learn to drive?
what is wrong with your changes that a single clutch down, select gear, clutch up that it is not smooth?

Sometimes, you just need to double declutch.

Mostly I have to do it in the Van when its fully loaded, because the naff and knackered and not particularly good even when new 95bhp in the LT i've been given just isnt up to the job, neither is the gear box.

If your car has a knotchy box, even if its new it might sometimes be called for.

I wouldnt expect it to be something that is needed every change in a new mondeo though, mabye he just has a dodgy box.

triggerthat · 14 Jul 2007 at 23:02

Greg said:
Just upgraded my panel filter in my Mondeo ST TDCi. What can I say. Its great. Theres no more stutter under harsh accelleration, no more jerkyness and when I double-de-clutch the engine is far freeer reving.

I thought that to start with it was perhaps a phycological thing, but then I really did compare it to the original, thinking about how it was before and it most definatly wasn't like it before.

Two thumbs up for K&N Panel filters!

Was the old filter dirty?