SkodaMart
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Where's OP anyhow? What have you bought?
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Where's OP anyhow? What have you bought?
Okay, so let's all go out and buy 660Tis at £500 because they're good enough for 1080p, right?
I don't understand what you're having difficulty with. Why would you want to spend the same money for less performance?
Is this a really bad case of purchase justification syndrome or something? You want others to buy 660Tis because they're "good enough" because you have one that's "good enough"?
Would you buy a 380ml can of coke for the same price as a 500ml bottle of coke just because?
That argument would work if we were talking more performance for more money, we're talking more performance for the same money.
Well according to you, the only answer to this thread is a 660Ti, so you're not really forewarning him against an MSI 7950. As for the Sapphire cards, what issue is this? You're not going to post an example of a Sapphire card misbehaving and claim it's doing the same thing are you?
That goes to show that you actually are claiming it's an AMD problem though, despite the fact that plenty of people have 7950s that are fine.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_driver_comparison_roundup/3
OT but this graph is wrong. It has the 7870 and the 660TI beating the 680 and 7970 in BF3
Am I missing something?
OT but this graph is wrong. It has the 7870 and the 660TI beating the 680 and 7970 in BF3
Am I missing something?Considering they're comparing the stock 7950 at 800 MHz and a half decent 7950 will overclock by 50% to 1200 the gap is in reality significantly higher. On stock volts it should be touch 1000 MHz. With the 600 series if you get a stinker you can't throw more volts at them to compensate either.
When both were at a decent overclock the 7950 was still a chunk faster prior to 12.11. Now it's not even close.
Anyway this isn't a 660Ti purchase justification thread and I'm a little tired of you ignoring good points and focusing on the same tired reasonings that somehow all 7950s are prone to failure. You're just coming across as a bit dim by doing it constantly.
When both were at a decent overclock the 7950 was still a chunk faster prior to 12.11. Now it's not even close.
Anyway this isn't a 660Ti purchase justification thread and I'm a little tired of you ignoring good points and focusing on the same tired reasonings that somehow all 7950s are prone to failure. You're just coming across as a bit dim by doing it constantly.
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The only answer to the OP was an nVidia GTX 660 Ti.
OP has been back since then to say that he would consider ATi.
Well, thanks for all the input, people. Lots of food for thought!
In answer to an early question, I'm not really looking to play brand new games on ultra settings, but being able to play, say, Far Cry 3 on medium/medium-high would be cool if possible.
Anyway, if the 660Ti is a little overpriced atm (which seems to be a consensus, regardless of the rather fierce debate regarding the reliability and general quality of the cards), does the NVidia/ATi balance shift with a smaller budget?
Say I was going to spend £180, do Nvidia cards become cost-effective again? Some preliminary searches on here would appear to indicate not, but have I missed anything important?
Also, what third-party manufacturers (gigabyte, EVGA, Frozr, etc - not sure if 'third-party' is the right word) would people recommend?
Lastly, if I wanted to SLI/Crossfire in the future, would it be better to use the same manufacturer (say, gigabyte), or does it really not matter?
*To clarify, I know that you can't mix SLI and Crossfire, I'm not that noobish!*
In answer to an early question, I'm not really looking to play brand new games on ultra settings, but being able to play, say, Far Cry 3 on medium/medium-high would be cool if possible.
Anyway, if the 660Ti is a little overpriced atm (which seems to be a consensus, regardless of the rather fierce debate regarding the reliability and general quality of the cards), does the NVidia/ATi balance shift with a smaller budget?
Say I was going to spend £180, do Nvidia cards become cost-effective again? Some preliminary searches on here would appear to indicate not, but have I missed anything important?
Also, what third-party manufacturers (gigabyte, EVGA, Frozr, etc - not sure if 'third-party' is the right word) would people recommend?
Lastly, if I wanted to SLI/Crossfire in the future, would it be better to use the same manufacturer (say, gigabyte), or does it really not matter?
*To clarify, I know that you can't mix SLI and Crossfire, I'm not that noobish!*
The 660 is quite decent and compares with the 7850 (and beats it in most games). As for SLI/CF, you can use any brand. If you are going with a 660, I would go with EVGA/Gigabyte/MSI purely for warranty and for the 7850, I would go with Gigabyte/MSI...I wouldn't get a MSI 7950 though, as they are having heat issues at the moment.
SkodaMart
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You have not made any good points. I have countered each and every argument you have made.
Why don't you just say, "The HD 7950 overclocks better than the GTX 660 Ti" (once you have ***** about sending them back until you get a good one 1!)
With that I could not disagree.
I ignored that bit because as you say I still think he doesn't see it was an MSI problem not an AMD problem even though the forums are full of people saying so.
There's only so many ways you can explain the same point before you realise the blinkers are on.
Reposted again...
It really does look like that.
Again, you're being silly. No one has to "keep sending 7950s back". The general consensus is to avoid MSI Twin Frozrs at the moment anyway, other cards are fine.
HIS 7950 X2s seem to be amongst the better ones and have been getting very good reviews (which is why I chose them). They are available for around £240 too.
Relative performance charts simply don't work, you just have to look at how close all the cards are there to see that.
In real world terms a 660Ti is 7870 performance stock versus stock, and can't touch an overclocked 7870, never mind a 7950.
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They work when it suits!!
Generally, nVidia are struggling with the value aspect, they don't really have anything that competes at the same price levels. If you want nVidia you have to pay the "nVidia tax" essentially.
If you're interested in Farcy 3, it would make sense for you to get a 7950 since they come with Farcy 3 free anyway, as well as Hitman Absolution and Sleeping Dogs which should be enough to bring it inline with your £180 budget if you were intending on getting those games anyway.
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@spoffle ^^ Thank God a sensible constructive post!!
What you mean all the points I have made where it is shown to be counter intuitive to spend the same money for a worse product?
I suggest you re-read the thread.
The points you can't counter - because you're being ridiculous as illustrated by your comment above which still somehow maintains that the 7950s have a high chance of failure - have been ignored and 'countered' with the same nonsense being posted again.
So you haven't really countered mine or anyone's argument at all. You may have done in your head but your posts show that in your head is a very different place to reality.
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No they don't, I'll never say relative performance charts work because they don't.
It's a poor averaging. You ignored the bit where I pointed out that according to those charts, there's very little between a 660Ti and all the other cards though.
That alone is enough to show you why they don't work. Any anomalies will completely skew the results to the point where they are meaningless, for example Shogun 2, or Starcraft, where the 660Ti is right next to a 7970 in their benchmarks.
Cool, thanks for the advice. I've already heard good things about Gigabyte from a couple of sources, so it's reassuring that they're well spoken of here as well.
I hadn't thought of it like that, but since I will be getting FC3 and Hitman Absolution anyway, it's a good point.
I've not got a games bundle with a component before - do you get a download code or something?
I also note that it says 'subject to availability' - not to be paranoid, but they do actually give you the games, right?
They do indeed. I bought 2x 7950s recently and got 2 copies of each game.
You register the key from the card on the AMD website, and then codes for the games are emailed to you.
Sleeping Dogs and Hitman are Steam keys (so you just put them in to Steam and the games are added to your Steam account) and Farcry 3 is a UPlay code (UPlay is Ubisoft's answer to Steam and Origin).
Actually, just checking, I've ended up with 4 copies of Sleeping Dogs
You register the key from the card on the AMD website, and then codes for the games are emailed to you.
Sleeping Dogs and Hitman are Steam keys (so you just put them in to Steam and the games are added to your Steam account) and Farcry 3 is a UPlay code (UPlay is Ubisoft's answer to Steam and Origin).
Actually, just checking, I've ended up with 4 copies of Sleeping Dogs
Actually, just checking, I've ended up with 4 copies of Sleeping Dogs
Sell em on the MM.
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Just been browsing through the 7850's and have seen OcUK sell this - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-185-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
MSI 7870 Black Knight. Oc'd as well. Looks pretty damn good for £179.99 as it is the same price as the MSI 7850 power edition!
MSI 7870 Black Knight. Oc'd as well. Looks pretty damn good for £179.99 as it is the same price as the MSI 7850 power edition!