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**********NEW GRAW 1.10 With & Without physX TEST**********

wow.. oh wow

what a complete waste of money, its making me sick...

super gfx cards, super physx... and for a few bits of debri to fly off at certain angles... determined by force, stress, environmental conditions.
 
speeduk said:
The point of these cards will be to produce amazing effects while maintaining the framerate (if your rig can cope).

The fact that it boosts framerates is a bonus.
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It's a brave attempt Speeduk, but you just won't get through to some people that this card is not about boosting frame rates.

If a badly implemented version of PhysX as seen in GRAW, can be patched so all the extra effects do not give a drop in frame rates, then things are actually starting to look up.
 
What i don't understand is why so many 'enthusiasts' on here seem to be slating and writing off the ppu as a rubbish and a complete waste of money.

As with any new tech it needs to be given time to mature and only time will really tell if it is a fad or if the hardware will be useful in the future. If you don't own any games that support it then of course there's no point in buying one right now, thats like saying "oooooh, look at my spangly new x1900xtx" and then using it to play spider solitaire!!!! A complete waste! And to be honest, so what if when you blow a whole in something it throws up a few bits of uniform black debris (at the moment). When playing are you REALLY looking closely enough to notice incricately rendered differing bits of wall or are you concentrating on the group of enemies aiming sniper shots at your head?

I myself agree that at this time i won't be getting one but will be waiting to see if the ppu will be supported more widely and i certainly haven't written off getting one yet. And as for the nvidia option, its all well and good running physics on your second card, but i didn't buy two nice gpu's just so i can run phyhsics calculations on one of them! I applaud nvidia for their idea, but to current SLi users then this wouldn't be a viably option either.

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone on here, but i think people expected too much of a brand new tech and more people should keep an open mind. If it creates a more immersive experience and keeps fps pretty much the same, surely thats a good thing and free's up the cpu for more challenging AI processes, jus think what the follow up to FEAR could be like with physics handled on a ppu, sli'd with the cpu runnig LOTS of AI!! I'd look forward to something like that!! Ok, rant over! Sorry! lol! :D
 
KWJay said:
What i don't understand is why so many 'enthusiasts' on here seem to be slating and writing off the ppu as a rubbish and a complete waste of money.
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Erm... how about because it is, have you seen those effects, yer paying £220 for something that looks like a grenade has gone off in a lego factory, debris, thats not debris its square lego bricks flying about, looks like a rubics cube exploding. :D
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Erm... how about because it is, have you seen those effects, yer paying £220 for something that looks like a grenade has gone off in a lego factory, debris, thats not debris its square lego bricks flying about, looks like a rubics cube exploding. :D
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True, it doesn't look fantastic freeze frame, but is that the phyx cards fault or just poor game implementation? I was taken to thinkin that the card works out the physics, and that the game is telling the graphics card what to draw. I believe that as implementation gets better we will begin to see more impressive stuff from the ppu.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Erm... how about because it is, have you seen those effects, yer paying £220 for something that looks like a grenade has gone off in a lego factory, debris, thats not debris its square lego bricks flying about, looks like a rubics cube exploding. :D
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Its a phsyics card. The visual effects are down to the game and graphics card. This is the problem -> people arent actually understanding the item they are slating.
Its the same as saying "ROFL looka that lego effect! People have wasted their money on those natural keyboards LMAO ROFLZZZZZ".
 
Well then don't get one till the games actaully sort the effects out then, by which time the cards will be about 50p, so you have as they say been ripped orf.
 
I guess im happy to see its starting to head in the right direction, lets be honest guys its a decent step forward from b4 :P
still not worth the cash yet, myte be if it did actually effect the way you played the game but it doesnt!
 
Ragdoll and realistic liquid effects are good examples of what the card should be used to sort out. In this game it's just that the Devs haven't done anything good with the graphics to stop there being a GPU limitation as much as possible.

With DX10 GPUs I think we'll see some amazing stuff combined with a PPU (assuming the developers can use them well).

All we need next is dual/multi core CPU support increased.
 
DrEvil said:
Hmm... so the PhysX gives you extra grit, right?
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lol, yeh you could put it like that, but if i'm to play devils advocate a little bit, if your going to blame anyone for the *grit* then I think we should blame Ubisoft, it is after all thier game, the physics in GRAW are essentially Havok, the extra physics we are seeing from using the physX PPU are just a bolt on.
 
KWJay said:
What i don't understand is why so many 'enthusiasts' on here seem to be slating and writing off the ppu as a rubbish and a complete waste of money.

As with any new tech it needs to be given time to mature and only time will really tell if it is a fad or if the hardware will be useful in the future. If you don't own any games that support it then of course there's no point in buying one right now, thats like saying "oooooh, look at my spangly new x1900xtx" and then using it to play spider solitaire!!!! A complete waste! And to be honest, so what if when you blow a whole in something it throws up a few bits of uniform black debris (at the moment). When playing are you REALLY looking closely enough to notice incricately rendered differing bits of wall or are you concentrating on the group of enemies aiming sniper shots at your head?

I myself agree that at this time i won't be getting one but will be waiting to see if the ppu will be supported more widely and i certainly haven't written off getting one yet. And as for the nvidia option, its all well and good running physics on your second card, but i didn't buy two nice gpu's just so i can run phyhsics calculations on one of them! I applaud nvidia for their idea, but to current SLi users then this wouldn't be a viably option either.

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone on here, but i think people expected too much of a brand new tech and more people should keep an open mind. If it creates a more immersive experience and keeps fps pretty much the same, surely thats a good thing and free's up the cpu for more challenging AI processes, jus think what the follow up to FEAR could be like with physics handled on a ppu, sli'd with the cpu runnig LOTS of AI!! I'd look forward to something like that!! Ok, rant over! Sorry! lol! :D
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Dude, you won't find one of us that dissagree with you. In as far as writing the card off, I believe that the current implimentation of the PhysX card has already expired in its relevance.

These are the points that I see:

- Ageia have release a card that has little or no software support into a rapidly developing market.

- There is no specifically developed software for the PhysX implimentation.

- The Ageia marketing strategy has been based on promises and smoke and mirrors.

- We have hardware that has been developed and much like gaming consoles is only just being optimised for semi efficient utilisation.

The fact is that we have a piece of hardware on the market that was released ahead of its time, when there has been sufficient market precident to not have made the same mistake as the original 3D video cards, and yet they still have.

Surely the lesson has been learnt that to release hardware like this into a market that is so rapidly moving, you have to have a rock solid foundation with which to demonstrate how relative it is to the consumer... (maybe not...)

There is no denying that the PhysX card is clever and the idea is sound, but the introduction to the market and the current implimentation surely can't be painting a good future for Ageia and has surely damaged their credibility somewhat. From my perspective as a consumer I'd be happier with developers reworking their code and learning to more efficiently utilise the already massive processing power of the present day GPU and CPU rather than providing them with another 'out' and warranting lazy coding.
 
ROFL. :D

If thats right about the G80/G90 having PPU's on em, then what will happen to these Ageia cards, makes em redundant as you will already have one.
 
rayb74 said:
I tell you what Ill just throw a bag of Maltesers or M&M`s at the screen and save £200+
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You and DrEvil have just caused to coffee/monitor related incidents. :D

For that fact alone this thread gets 5*
 
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