New house, new network solution

Dan_P · 11 Aug 2020 at 12:09

Do i need a Dream Machine?

I am planning on using 'Pure Home' as my provider as we need to use someone from OFNL.
They offer the package below i want to go for:

Download: 360 Mbps
Upload: 180 Mbps

It asks what router i want if any. Should i be selecting none or the free router?

If i select none does that mean i need a UDM?
If i select the free router do i still need a UDM?

Apart from the controller, which isnt a high priority if i understand it correctly, i dont really see the point in the UDM? (I already have a cheap standard 4 port switch)

WJA96 · 11 Aug 2020 at 13:13

The UDM would eliminate the need for a UAP-FlexHD in the CAT6 location downstairs. It’s also your router, firewall and a 4-port switch.

Dan_P · 11 Aug 2020 at 13:38

WJA96 said:
The UDM would eliminate the need for a UAP-FlexHD in the CAT6 location downstairs. It’s also your router, firewall and a 4-port switch.

From an AP perspective is a UDM equal to, better than or worse than for a Flex HD?

From your message, i guess i dont need to get their Router then if the UDM will do this. Will not having a cable direct from feed (small cabinet by left of front door) and connecting via the Cat 6 Living room wall connection be ok?

WJA96 · 11 Aug 2020 at 13:42

The access point in the UDM is the same components as the FlexHD and HDNano. So it would be every bit as good as a FlexHD.

The FTTP feed is an RJ45 socket. Where does the FTTP ONT live in the building?

And no, you don’t need their router.

Dan_P · 11 Aug 2020 at 14:27

WJA96 said:
The access point in the UDM is the same components as the FlexHD and HDNano. So it would be every bit as good as a FlexHD.

The FTTP feed is an RJ45 socket. Where does the FTTP ONT live in the building?

And no, you don’t need their router.

Excellent thanks.

The FTTP ONT (If i have understood correctly*) is in the small storage cupboard to the left of the front door (you should be able to see the cupboard on the plan pictures i have attached on Post 1.

*In our house style on a different development (same developer) it was a white huawei box in that cupboard with an RJ45 coming out of it.

kosymodo · 11 Aug 2020 at 14:28

Dan_P said:
Excellent thanks.

The FTTP ONT (If i have understood correctly*) is in the small storage cupboard to the left of the front door (you should be able to see the cupboard on the plan pictures i have attached on Post 1.

*In our house style on a different development (same developer) it was a white huawei box in that cupboard with an RJ45 coming out of it.

That's the ONT for sure...

Dan_P · 11 Aug 2020 at 14:31

kosymodo said:
That's the ONT for sure...

I wasn't planning on plugging the UDM into the ONT though as it's not an ideal location and i want to use the ports on the UDM for my TV/Hi-Fi stack.

Would i be ok plugging my UDM into the Cat 6 wall connection in the lounge?

kosymodo · 11 Aug 2020 at 14:36

Dan_P said:
I wasn't planning on plugging the UDM into the ONT though as it's not an ideal location and i want to use the ports on the UDM for my TV/Hi-Fi stack.

Would i be ok plugging my UDM into the Cat 6 wall connection in the lounge?

You'd have to find a way of ensuring the Cat6 wall connection in the lounge is connected to the ONT. Possibly the other end of the Cat6 cable will be terminating in a wallplate next to the ONT, but there's no way of knowing that without checking. Therefore, you'd have ONT -> patch lead -> wallplate (hallway) -> Cat6 cable -> wallplate (lounge) -> patch cable -> UDM

Dan_P · 11 Aug 2020 at 14:38

kosymodo said:
You'd have to find a way of ensuring the Cat6 wall connection in the lounge is connected to the ONT. Possibly the other end of the Cat6 cable will be terminating in a wallplate next to the ONT, but there's no way of knowing that without checking. Therefore, you'd have ONT -> patch lead -> wallplate (hallway) -> Cat6 cable -> wallplate (lounge) -> patch cable -> UDM

Ok, i wont know this until we move in (December).

I am assuming that the wallplate in the lounge must be connected to something as i have been told it will be there and active?

kosymodo · 11 Aug 2020 at 14:40

Dan_P said:
Ok, i wont know this until we move in (December).

I am assuming that the wallplate in the lounge must be connected to something as i have been told it will be there and active?

You'd assume so wouldn't you!

Ours is connected to a wallplate next to the ONT (in our case under the stairs), so for me it's ONT -> patch cable -> Router -> patch lead -> wallplate (understairs) -> Cat6 cable -> wallplate (lounge) -> patch lead -> Switch

Sparx · 11 Aug 2020 at 15:19

If there's a Cat6 outlet next to the ONT, and another in the living room - the run may just be linking those together.

If the case then you'd just use a short Cat6 cable from ONT to RJ45 outlet next to it, then plug the UDM in the living room into the wall port.

kosymodo · 11 Aug 2020 at 15:20

Sparx said:
If there's a Cat6 outlet next to the ONT, and another in the living room - the run may just be linking those together.

If the case then you'd just use a short Cat6 cable from ONT to RJ45 outlet next to it, then plug the UDM in the living room into the wall port.

That's exactly what I said in post #28

Dan_P · 11 Aug 2020 at 15:25

Thanks both @Sparx & @kosymodo

Developer has come back to me saying they will confirm in 24 hours after speaking to the site manager where the Cat 6 ports are (Lounge or Kitchen) as the plans are not clear. I have asked them to check at the same time if there is a wall part in or around the storage cupboard where the ONT is stored.

Sparx · 11 Aug 2020 at 15:35

kosymodo said:
That's exactly what I said in post #28

So you did (in a roundabout way

)

I was just skim reading the thread

WJA96 · 11 Aug 2020 at 19:30

Dan_P said:
Thanks both @Sparx & @kosymodo

Developer has come back to me saying they will confirm in 24 hours after speaking to the site manager where the Cat 6 ports are (Lounge or Kitchen) as the plans are not clear. I have asked them to check at the same time if there is a wall part in or around the storage cupboard where the ONT is stored.

Let’s hope it’s not in the kitchen!

Dan_P · 12 Aug 2020 at 19:46

Feedback from the site manager was that "all telephone points are data points with cat 6 which are in our lounge, bedroom 1 and bedroom 3" however self-confessed the site office and site manager didn't fully understand the query.

Now, this doesn't match the plan I have which has confused me a little. I have a phone call scheduled with the electrician in the next 24-48 hours who should be able to advise a bit better. I do hope though that they are correct as this could solve my AP issues.