New law for buying alcohol?
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VIRII said:
Well, one reason I can think of is forgery. I guess it's harder to forge a driving license/passport, than a card that no one ever sees (I work in a bar, and I didn't have a clue what they looked like, until I saw the link you posted). So, the place is more at risk from forgery if they choose to accept such cards.
That might not be true though, just having a think
Carzy said:Well, one reason I can think of is forgery. I guess it's harder to forge a driving license/passport, than a card that no one ever sees (I work in a bar, and I didn't have a clue what they looked like, until I saw the link you posted). So, the place is more at risk from forgery if they choose to accept such cards.
That might not be true though, just having a think
As they are Govt approved and have holograms and sample cards are available to licencees then it seems a bit of a shot in the foot not to get to know the card from the club/pub point of view.
If they can forge that card then they can just as easily forge a driving licence (available quite cheaply) or a passport (£200 or less) I hear.
I personally favour barcoding all teenagers and scanning them at the door for ID.
Carzy said:
Check the site out, that particular card is one of a group of Gvernment approved cards under the PASS scheme (proof of age *something* scheme) and at £5 a pop seems well worth it.
I still think all schoolies should be barcoded though or better still chipped.
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I think its t do with the "PASS" or "Proveit" cards looking pretty similar to the photo-id.co.uk cards that dont ask for proof of age when bought. This may be the reason tehy are often not accepted.
Although the pass and proveit cards use UV to show authentisity and the holograms.
Although the pass and proveit cards use UV to show authentisity and the holograms.
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Cigar (prefably cuban).
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Get the following:
Business suit.
Permanent marker.
Cigar (prefably cuban).
Large briefcase.
Black sunglasses.
A "Sean Connery" style of speech.
Here's how it works:
Suit up, use perm. marker to make 'fake stubble' on your face, chomp down on the cigar whilst holding the briefcase, wear the glasses and talk without actually looking at the person you're talking to.
Guaranteed instant over 21 look.
Every bar I know will ONLY accept license/passport .. they have signs up stating this. Forging a passport/license carries a heavy sentence, whereas I assume proveit cards have the potential to be forged... without carrying the same sentence as the other two forms of ID..
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It isn't a new law - its always been the law. If anyone serves someone alcohol and there is reasonable ground to believe that they are then going to provide that alcohol to someone underage then the same sentence applies as serving someone directly under 18.
And remember it's the cashiers right to refuse - not just the shop. It’s the cashier that gets the fine as well as the shop so they have to protect themselves. If we ever get such a problem where someone complains about being refused a sale the manager has absolutely no right to force the cashier to serve them. There was such an incidence at one of our stores recently where a supervisor told the cashier that it’s ok to serve the person alcohol who was later found out to be working for trading standards as an underage buyer. The cashier still got the fine.
In the end everyone just needs to be aware that supermarkets are tested regularly and people are caught. It's a very real risk for a cashier and they have to take it seriously.
And remember it's the cashiers right to refuse - not just the shop. It’s the cashier that gets the fine as well as the shop so they have to protect themselves. If we ever get such a problem where someone complains about being refused a sale the manager has absolutely no right to force the cashier to serve them. There was such an incidence at one of our stores recently where a supervisor told the cashier that it’s ok to serve the person alcohol who was later found out to be working for trading standards as an underage buyer. The cashier still got the fine.
In the end everyone just needs to be aware that supermarkets are tested regularly and people are caught. It's a very real risk for a cashier and they have to take it seriously.
I dont see the problem with being ID'd! If your over 18 and can prove it, whats with all the hassle?
Most people have a driving licence, and if people cant be doing with buying one for £40 becuase of the cost, then how much do people spend on a night out?
I am sure most people in thier liftime have spent over £40 for drinks! So i cant see why £40 is such a big deal in the whole grand scheme of things, plus its 100% gaurenteed no hassle on a night out!
And surely some people will see it as a compliment looking young? Most of my friends hate to be old! They want to stay young! Reaching 21 for us is horrid
Most people have a driving licence, and if people cant be doing with buying one for £40 becuase of the cost, then how much do people spend on a night out?
I am sure most people in thier liftime have spent over £40 for drinks! So i cant see why £40 is such a big deal in the whole grand scheme of things, plus its 100% gaurenteed no hassle on a night out!
And surely some people will see it as a compliment looking young? Most of my friends hate to be old! They want to stay young! Reaching 21 for us is horrid
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When I was 13 I was in a restaurant with my parents, they ordered me a glass of water because I said I felt a little bit ill.
Halfway through the meal and after about 20 sips of this water the manager comes over asking us to leave immediately.
After some puzzled looks and questioning he said, it was a disgrace to order a child of my age neat vodka.
After repeatedly prooving it to him that it was water he wouldn't have it, inisting calling vodka water was the oldest trick in the book, and it was the non-taste vodka aswell.
Wasn't until the waiter rushed in saying that he poured the water himself, did he apologise and give us a free round of drinks.
But still, serious WTF moment.
Halfway through the meal and after about 20 sips of this water the manager comes over asking us to leave immediately.
After some puzzled looks and questioning he said, it was a disgrace to order a child of my age neat vodka.
After repeatedly prooving it to him that it was water he wouldn't have it, inisting calling vodka water was the oldest trick in the book, and it was the non-taste vodka aswell.
Wasn't until the waiter rushed in saying that he poured the water himself, did he apologise and give us a free round of drinks.
But still, serious WTF moment.
non-taste vodka, if only.
£100 for a national ID card will stop underage drinking full stop, no ID card no booze, unless you get someone older buying it for them, then thats when the police step in.
S@njay said:I dont see the problem with being ID'd! If your over 18 and can prove it, whats with all the hassle?
Most people have a driving licence, and if people cant be doing with buying one for £40 becuase of the cost, then how much do people spend on a night out?
I am sure most people in thier liftime have spent over £40 for drinks! So i cant see why £40 is such a big deal in the whole grand scheme of things, plus its 100% gaurenteed no hassle on a night out!
And surely some people will see it as a compliment looking young? Most of my friends hate to be old! They want to stay young! Reaching 21 for us is horrid
£100 for a national ID card will stop underage drinking full stop, no ID card no booze, unless you get someone older buying it for them, then thats when the police step in.
Sweetloaf said:Who would want to sell chocolate bars to cheese?
I think he's talking about the thread where someone got ID'd for 'X-rated' cheese.
A shop assistant failed to understand the nature of this extreme form of dairy product.I can tell you one thing: I sure as hell am not going to pay for an ID card. What's wrong with my driver's licence? What's wrong with my passport?cheets64 said:
Jesus, talk about trying to correct a problem that doesn't exist.
If I was made to carry an ID card, I wouldn't care. However, the government forcing us to pay for our own ID cards seems a little odd.
They may as well put up a sign saying: "ATTN BRITISH PEOPLE, please deposit £100 in the hole below. All funds go to Tony Blair and his annual holiday allowance."
cheets64 said:
Sorry cheets?
I realise that I may have the wrong end of the stick here but are you seriously suggesting that we pay £100 to prove that we are who we say we are? I'm 32 and pay enough in taxes etc already should I have to pay £100 for the privelage of walking into the off license and picking up a 4 pack?
Sweetloaf said:
No, your 32 and more than likely look over 18, maybe people over a certain age get a discount on the ID card but how much did i pay for my passport and my provisional license and license. Touching £80+ for the 3
When the kids hits 16 they should be given the card so they can prove they can buy cigarettes and alcohol at 18.
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The Tesco Express where I work adhere to the government's "Think 21" scheme.
We can refuse to serve age-restricted products for a number of reasons -
- If we think the customer is under age.
- If we think the customer MAY be buying the product for somebody else who is under age.
...to name but a few.
We get told to assess if the customer looks under 21 for ANY age restricted product, no matter what. This way, we're covering our own backs. It would seriously screw up the shop if the cashier got fined heavily and the store lost it's alcohol license.
I've had dumb chavs trying to pull the fast one on me, i've had various 4-letter swear words thrown at me from customers, yet still they leave with nothing, and more than likely they're banned from ever coming in the shop again.
As has been said, it's easy to get a form of PASS or ID, and there is simply no reason why anybody shouldn't have one.
And one last thing, Steameh, i'd have refused you alcohol mate, sorry.
We can refuse to serve age-restricted products for a number of reasons -
- If we think the customer is under age.
- If we think the customer MAY be buying the product for somebody else who is under age.
...to name but a few.
We get told to assess if the customer looks under 21 for ANY age restricted product, no matter what. This way, we're covering our own backs. It would seriously screw up the shop if the cashier got fined heavily and the store lost it's alcohol license.
I've had dumb chavs trying to pull the fast one on me, i've had various 4-letter swear words thrown at me from customers, yet still they leave with nothing, and more than likely they're banned from ever coming in the shop again.
As has been said, it's easy to get a form of PASS or ID, and there is simply no reason why anybody shouldn't have one.
And one last thing, Steameh, i'd have refused you alcohol mate, sorry.