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Can confirm that Dark Rock 3 is fiddly. Had a friend install one with great frustration.

If you are put off by the colour of the Noctua fans then consider a Cryorig cooler if you can get your hands on one
 
MDian said:
I'm being steered towards 8700k with a Z270 @CyberScy so all good there, I hadn't realised that the newer chips were soon to be released and have more cores.

I'm sold on the Noctua as I personally prefer air cooled anyway, plus I'd like to keep the PC as quiet as possible, but I must say, who thought brown was a good idea! I'd perhaps need to find a rival air cooled unit, maybe BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 3???

Will consider the Seasonic PSU too, though I should add that whilst I may run a stock or overclocked 8700K initially, plus the 1080 GPU, I may add a further 1080 at some point, or even swap it out for a 1080TI or TitanX, and don't fancy swapping out the power supply, even though modular!
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If you are just gaming then the i5 8600K is a good choice. The i7 would be better if you were doing streaming and other things such as video editing/rendering.

The Cryorig R1 Universal would be a good choice for the cooler. Just make sure that the case you go with has enough clearance for it. The cooler is listed as 168.3mm. You can use tall ram with it as well.


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Also wanting to add to the opinion that be quiet! coolers are fiddly to install, I had a Dark Rock Pro 3 and while performance was amazing, it was a real pain to install.

Currently I am quite a fan of the Scythe Mugen 5, reasonable size, good performance and very quiet
 
lee32uk said:
If you are just gaming then the i5 8600K is a good choice. The i7 would be better if you were doing streaming and other things such as video editing/rendering.

The Cryorig R1 Universal would be a good choice for the cooler. Just make sure that the case you go with has enough clearance for it. The cooler is listed as 168.3mm. You can use tall ram with it as well.


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I was thinking moreso the 8700k due to the OP's 'built to last' requirement. i7's age much better than i5's, and as we are now seeing more today games do make use of the extra threads. Digitalfoundry made some great videos showing the 8700k way ahead of the 8600k in games that favour threads, which is how I suspect more games will make use of. I think it's a much better choice for a long-term build.
 
southernorth said:
I was thinking moreso the 8700k due to the OP's 'built to last' requirement. i7's age much better than i5's, and as we are now seeing more today games do make use of the extra threads. Digitalfoundry made some great videos showing the 8700k way ahead of the 8600k in games that favour threads, which is how I suspect more games will make use of. I think it's a much better choice for a long-term build.
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Which videos are you referring to ? The ones I have seen are showing a Titan X at 1080p which isn't really a good test scenario.

This Guru3D review shows little difference with a GTX 1080 gpu with an i5 8600K or i7 8700K in 6 games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_8600k_processor_review,18.html
 
lee32uk said:
Which videos are you referring to ? The ones I have seen are showing a Titan X at 1080p which isn't really a good test scenario.

This Guru3D review shows little difference with a GTX 1080 gpu with an i5 8600K or i7 8700K in 6 games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_8600k_processor_review,18.html
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Witcher 3, AOTS and Crysis 3 were the games which saw the most benefit from 8600k to 8700k.

The whole Titan XP at 1080p idea is to try eliminate the GPU as a bottleneck and thus show the 'true' performance of the CPU. Also, the issue with using a more closely related GPU is difficult, which one do you use? Which data shows you should pair x GPU and x CPU. It's difficult to decide upon. Why not use a GTX 1070 then, or even a GTX 1060? Most review sites I see use a 1080ti for tests, which is similar enough to a Titan XP.

1080p is a good resolution to use for testing, as not only does it show the relative strength of a CPU more effectively, as you become GPU limited at higher resolutions, it's still by far the most common resolution. This is especially true as higher refresh rate displays are becoming more common, and as such higher end hardware is needed achieve 144fps or even 240fps at 1080p.


For a system built to last many years, perhaps through a GPU upgrade in a few years as well, the 8700k is the clear choice for me.
 
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I've pretty much decided upon the 8700k now, with the Kraken X62 cpu cooler (preferred to air cooled), 16gb of 3600mhz Corsair vengeance ram (my preference), RM750x PSU (for if I add a second 1080 GPU in future). Possibly with the NZXT S340 Elite case (fine with Kraken in the front). I just can't decide on which Z370 mobo as there is so little opinion out on them, plus I'm not really one for all the RGB which most seem to come littered with these days. I do want highish end though with in-built graphics for my transition over from another PC, plus high quality audio.
 
southernorth said:
Witcher 3, AOTS and Crysis 3 were the games which saw the most benefit from 8600k to 8700k.

The whole Titan XP at 1080p idea is to try eliminate the GPU as a bottleneck and thus show the 'true' performance of the CPU. Also, the issue with using a more closely related GPU is difficult, which one do you use? Which data shows you should pair x GPU and x CPU. It's difficult to decide upon. Why not use a GTX 1070 then, or even a GTX 1060? Most review sites I see use a 1080ti for tests, which is similar enough to a Titan XP.

1080p is a good resolution to use for testing, as not only does it show the relative strength of a CPU more effectively, as you become GPU limited at higher resolutions, it's still by far the most common resolution. This is especially true as higher refresh rate displays are becoming more common, and as such higher end hardware is needed achieve 144fps or even 240fps at 1080p.


For a system built to last many years, perhaps through a GPU upgrade in a few years as well, the 8700k is the clear choice for me.
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How many people run a Titan X or 1080 ti at 1080p ? Even with a 144Hz monitor you don't really need anything more than a GTX 1070/1080. The i5 8600K beats out the i7 7700K in most games so it is no slouch. Sure the 8700K shows better framerates in some games at 1080p with a Titan X but again how many people are going to be running that setup.

Not trying to dissuade the op to buy an 8600K and it looks like he wants the 8700K anyway.
 
MDian said:
I've pretty much decided upon the 8700k now, with the Kraken X62 cpu cooler (preferred to air cooled), 16gb of 3600mhz Corsair vengeance ram (my preference), RM750x PSU (for if I add a second 1080 GPU in future). Possibly with the NZXT S340 Elite case (fine with Kraken in the front). I just can't decide on which Z370 mobo as there is so little opinion out on them, plus I'm not really one for all the RGB which most seem to come littered with these days. I do want highish end though with in-built graphics for my transition over from another PC, plus high quality audio.
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You should be able to disable/turn off the RGB LED's.

This Anandtech article analyzes 50+ Z370 boards if you want something to read.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11860/z370-motherboards-asus-asrock-ecs-evga-biostar-msi-gigabyte
 
MDian said:
I've pretty much decided upon the 8700k now, with the Kraken X62 cpu cooler (preferred to air cooled), 16gb of 3600mhz Corsair vengeance ram (my preference), RM750x PSU (for if I add a second 1080 GPU in future). Possibly with the NZXT S340 Elite case (fine with Kraken in the front). I just can't decide on which Z370 mobo as there is so little opinion out on them, plus I'm not really one for all the RGB which most seem to come littered with these days. I do want highish end though with in-built graphics for my transition over from another PC, plus high quality audio.
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Asrock generally makes high-quality boards without much lightning. But as mentioned on the first page, MSI and Gigabyte have special offers if you wanted something extra
 
I'd rather a better board than a promotional one to be honest, the vouchers mean little to me. That isn't to say the Gigabyte boards are any worse than others, I don't know, but it isn't a deciding factor for me.
 
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What would your budget be for a motherboard?
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Nothing set, but £200 ish, or anything in the top range up to £250, just not that 'godlike' board! I've had a quick look and need 5 USB's on the back which from what I can tell, some of the mid range Asus ROG don't have!!!
 
MDian said:
Nothing set, but £200 ish, or anything in the top range up to £250, just not that 'godlike' board! I've had a quick look and need 5 USB's on the back which from what I can tell, some of the mid range Asus ROG don't have!!!
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This Asus board has 8 rear USB ports:

4 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (Blue connector)
2 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 (Type A) (Red connector)
2 x USB 2.0 (Black connector)


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Type C at the back and £20 steam voucher :D
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To narrow the wide selection down, do you need 10/5gbit ethernet, built in AC wifi, loads of SATA ports etc?


If you wanted a really solid board for overclocking with a 240mm AIO that's around £200 I would get:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asro...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-15r-ak.html


It's one of the recommended boards on the 8700k binned CPUs, and @8 Pack regularly talks highly of it. Depends how extreme you intend to overclock, and if you need any other features like 10gbit LAN etc.


Otherwise, I would just get any of the midrange or top of midrange boards I linked on the previous page, depending on pricing, aesthetics and offers.
 
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To narrow the wide selection down, do you need 10/5gbit ethernet, built in AC wifi, loads of SATA ports etc?
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To be honest, don't need a lot, only need 1gbit ethernet, don't need wifi (though of course nice to have a back up but useless for gaming), will only be running 1 or 2 SATA's for my SSD's as I operate a NAS. I need plenty of rear USB's (5 at the moment, all basic standard) and would envisage using maybe 4 internal fans aside from the cpu cooling. Ideally don't need much in the way of RGB as the PC will sit under a desk pretty much out of sight. It will need to be suitable for overclocking though as I tweak the 8700k up a little, and needs to run 3600mhz ram, though suspect most do anyway. Ultimately though £50 difference in them is nothing in the big scheme of things, just about getting one that suits.
 
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Ok so this is likely to be my build. 8700k because why not, Asus ROG Hero because it offers everything and more and have used them in the past (and I can't be bothered trying to compare them all anymore LUL). Corsair H115i instead of the Kraken because reading reviews, there are a significant number of reports of failed pumps on the Kraken which is disappointing and concerning. Ram 3600mhz as I'm told that works nicely with the 8700k, 750watt PSU because I may add a second 1080 at some point, and finally case, S340 for now, but might review this some more.

Next is the debate over fan orientation. I had planned to put the H115i on the front, with the fans against the case, pushing air into the rad, but I'm told that is a nightmare for dust, but is best for cooling. Some thoughts welcome; the case won't allow top mounting and I'd ideally like to use the top and rear for exhausting GPU heat.

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MDian said:
Ok so this is likely to be my build. 8700k because why not, Asus ROG Hero because it offers everything and more and have used them in the past (and I can't be bothered trying to compare them all anymore LUL). Corsair H115i instead of the Kraken because reading reviews, there are a significant number of reports of failed pumps on the Kraken which is disappointing and concerning. Ram 3600mhz as I'm told that works nicely with the 8700k, 750watt PSU because I may add a second 1080 at some point, and finally case, S340 for now, but might review this some more.

Next is the debate over fan orientation. I had planned to put the H115i on the front, with the fans against the case, pushing air into the rad, but I'm told that is a nightmare for dust, but is best for cooling. Some thoughts welcome; the case won't allow top mounting and I'd ideally like to use the top and rear for exhausting GPU heat.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £1,233.54
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Looks good although I would go with this Kingston Ram if you want 3600MHz as it is £30 cheaper.


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