New socket to replace LGA1366 due in 2011

Suddenly, my decision to go AM3 is making a bit more sense.

Why is there a need for a whole new socket? Why can't these features be added, but with some form of backwards compatibility like AMD? Really make it hard for enthusiasts who aren't loaded.
 
So glad I planned on waiting for the 890fx chipset from AMD :) I mean god even the amd 6 core supports some AM2+ mobos now thats what I call abckwards compatibility :P AM3 will last long as well I guess.
 
Nice i won't be upgrading till my CPU really needs it tbh if anything only thing i need upgrading is watercooling on my 4870x2 coz... god damn its on 100% fan speed a lot theasedays.
 
I don't see the huge deal. Performance-wise the new sockets and processors are only going to have a significant increase in performance over the i7s. If you have the money to blow and really have the urge for a top-end system then it's fine for these types of buyers. But for those people who have upgraded for the i7 processors will have a decent system for a good 5 years.
 
Sukh said:
5 years?
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I think this is reasonable. Remember, Core 2 came out around 4 years ago and for most tasks an E6600 still does great today - especially when overclocked.

Considering my uni mainly uses Pentium 4s and Pentium Ds for the majority of CAD, FEA, CFD etc (and does the job reasonably well tbh) then it doesn't seem like a stretch to say that the excellent i7 will be useful 5 years down the line.
 
It's kinda sad to hear that new socket will arrive next year, as i build my pc just half a year ago. But i think it will last me few more years. In some time i hope to get 6core cpu, and i believe i won't need to upgrade my CPU for few more years...
 
Biffa said:
Yes because you don't HAVE to upgrade to the new socket as soon as it arrives you know?
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I'm still on 775 so this is a moot point.
Just thinking that in 5 years time I would have thought things would have moved on much further in gaming. As can be seen with Battlefield which is now more CPU intensive than previous games.
 
Why cant intel just pick a socket and stick to it! I mean look at amd you dont even need new mobo to use the new 6 core cpus.
 
cmndr_andi said:
I think this is reasonable. Remember, Core 2 came out around 4 years ago and for most tasks an E6600 still does great today - especially when overclocked.
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I concur with this statment :D. Though I sense it will be showing it's age when Sandy Bridge come out.

As for AMD's compatibilty, well they have been running the same chip but with different processes, Phenom I was 65nm and Phenom II is 45nm allowing AMD to increase the cache it needed to compete with Intel, but more importantly worked with JDEC on the DDR spec to ensure the same pinouts could be used to power both AM2+/AM3 DDR2 platforms or AM3 DDR3 platforms. It's mentioned in Anandtech's review of the Phenom II, I'll search and post it in a sec.

Edit: Found it http://www.anandtech.com/show/2702/8.

While I’m not sure how practically useful the AM3/AM2+ flexibility will be, I’d rather have it than not. Being able to take one CPU and stick it in two different sockets, each with a different memory technology, and have it just work is the most customer-centric move I’ve ever seen either company make. AMD told me that this plan was in the works before the original Phenom ever launched, somewhere in the 2004 timeframe. AMD was active in JEDEC on making the DDR2 and DDR3 specs similar enough that this one-CPU, two-sockets approach could work.
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While this worked for DDR2 and 3, I doubt they'll be able to pull it off again with Bulldozer.
 
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Ive had my 920 D0 since launch day. I upgraded from LGA775 because I wanted Quad Core, and S775 quads cost just as much, as did the E8600 which made it not worth it, and also because I found triple channel ram for really cheap.

This time around I can just get the I7-970 and skip the next socket, less incentive to upgrade because Im getting the Asus R3E, have 6 great ram modules that were cheap, and can get a Hex core which will be overkill for a long time (My previous E8400 was lacking in overkill and oooopmh).

I could have skipped S775 altogether and wish I had done now. I were still using S939 and an AMD X2 4400+ until then, I just upgraded because P35s were cheap and then just upgraded a little bit at a time as I could afford.

Temi_D said:
Why cant intel just pick a socket and stick to it! I mean look at amd you dont even need new mobo to use the new 6 core cpus.
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You dont with Intel either, LGA1366 supports 32nm hex cores, cheaper ones will be out later this year. Get one of those and no need for the next socket. Quad channel wont make much difference, and for people who already got 6 ram modules they already have too many.
 
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Yes they need to stick with sockets longer, looks like I shall be completely skipping core i3/5/7 in terms of buying new then.

Which doesn't surprise me as i have not been impressed with the pricing anyway especially the overpricing on the motherboards and ddr3, there simply has never been a sweet spot like there was with 775 and ddr2 in terms of low prices.

When the best board I can get for £80-£100 has to be a micro atx one something is very wrong.

Good news for us second hand buyers though as many core i5 i7 setups will no doubt be coming our way.
 
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i think you are missing something here (correct me if im wrong) but Intel brought out a few new C2D CPUs only a few months ago i think. i think they were new as there was some discussion about them. so my thinking is that if intel still supported s775 then when all the new sockets are out then why wont they continue to bring out new CPUs for the LGA sockets? LGA1366 is still going to be a very powerful socket for years, especially with the new hex cores. hardware seems to still be very ahead of games and other software right now so when this new socket comes out it will be major, major overkill.

back to my first point. i think that intel wont just drop LGA1366 and 1156 and i think they will continue to make CPUs for them for at least a year after the release of the new socket.

btw i probably dont know what im talking about. i just thought this could cause some discussion.
 
I suspect the Hex core 1366's will still be ahead of the quad Sandy Bridges. It will only be upgrading for upgradings sake. May as well wait for a 8 core Haswell instead.
 
V4nger said:
back to my first point. i think that intel wont just drop LGA1366 and 1156 and i think they will continue to make CPUs for them for at least a year after the release of the new socket.

btw i probably dont know what im talking about. i just thought this could cause some discussion.
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Makes perfect sense, a new product/socket is out and the previous one is phased out slowly.

New sockets might produce new business for montherboard makers, but think about it ... new tech needs more pins to interface ... unless they design something completely new (which would cost an arm and a leg in the first place). They add more cores they need more "interface". They are even launching a hexacore as a mid point. I am OK personally.
 
C64 said:
Yes they need to stick with sockets longer, looks like I shall be completely skipping core i3/5/7 in terms of buying new then.

Which doesn't surprise me as i have not been impressed with the pricing anyway especially the overpricing on the motherboards and ddr3, there simply has never been a sweet spot like there was with 775 and ddr2 in terms of low prices.

When the best board I can get for £80-£100 has to be a micro atx one something is very wrong.

Good news for us second hand buyers though as many core i5 i7 setups will no doubt be coming our way.
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I respect your opinion/approach to acquiring technology. Life is an optimisation problem ... some people try to minimise cost .. others try to maximise performance etc. Each to their own.
 
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