NEW Titan Pascal (full 3840 shaders) just announced!

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:46

TheRealDeal said:
This card was always coming no matter what performance Vega is at. Remember these are full chips which would have been manufactured since the start. What else were they going to do with them apart from this.

They could have still used them in the existing 1080 Ti and Pascal Titan.

Remember with Maxwell and the arrival of the 980 Ti, NVidia sold practically zero Titans so all the unsold full fat GM200 chips would have gone into the 980 Ti.

nashathedog · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:48

VincentHanna said:
They really like to annoy customers who bought Titan X's recently!

Exactly what I was thinking

JediFragger said:
Not really, it's nearly £500 more than an FE Ti. Fair deal imo! (I don't think a Ti owner will miss the extra 1GB )

Why not? Amyone who wants the fastest gpu will want this, It's no surprise though. This is the Titan Pascal Black. The only difference being this has been released before Vega where as the last Black released after the 290x, I wonder if they know something we don't and simply want to maximise sales before the new King arrives?

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:49

Toss3 said:
Nvidia never releases their high-end cards first (volta mid-range would be as fast as the GTX 1080 ti, with the volta high-end being 10% faster). So Volta wouldn't necessarily fare any better if Vega would end up being faster (which gives nvidia more time to respond). Volta titan wouldn't be great either, as the titan isn't in direct competition with Vega.

NVidia do whatever the market demands so if they had to release big Volta up front they would.

Doom112 · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:50

So know nvidia has 7 gaming GPUs are ,which are faster than AMD flagship.

nashathedog · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:52

smogsy said:
i would have been tempted to buy one, but i think ref cooler would kill it.

next incoming the 1080TiT edition?

No no no, You got that wrong, they don't name cards after the buyers

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:54

Kaapstad said:
They could have still used them in the existing 1080 Ti and Pascal Titan.

Remember with Maxwell and the arrival of the 980 Ti, NVidia sold practically zero Titans so all the unsold full fat GM200 chips would have gone into the 980 Ti.

The only difference there was the Maxwell Titan was the full part and the 980ti had 2 x smu's missing. The current 1080ti only has 1 smu missing compared to the current Titan XP. With Nvidia releasing this part the current 1080ti now has 2 x smu's missing just like the 980ti did. With Maxwell there was no new part to release unlike here.

JediFragger · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:55

Doom112 said:
So know nvidia has 7 gaming GPUs are ,which are faster than AMD flagship.

THIS MAN SPEAK THE TRUTH!! TOTALLY UNBIASED!!!!!!!!!!!

DONOHUE07 · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:57

Kaapstad said:
NVidia do whatever the market demands so if they had to release big Volta up front they would.

I beg to differ, they create a market that wasn't even there, and slap an insane price tag on on it because it's a 'premium' NVIDIA product. It genius and dare a say it, very Apple and Razer like

orbitalwalsh · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:57

Nvidia missed a trick here, allow XP owners to trade in, then sell the cores to AIB for Ti cards..... EXTRA CASH!

simatron3000 · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:58

How much quicker we reckon this will be then, 20% more than 1080ti?

Toss3 · 6 Apr 2017 at 15:59

Kaapstad said:
NVidia do whatever the market demands so if they had to release big Volta up front they would.

Not if they end up losing money; nvidia is all about products that require a premium over their competitors' so if they suddenly came out with a high-end volta with no competitive mid-range products, their stock price would plummet. Not sure why we are even having this discussion as I'm sure we both know there is no way Vega is going to end up faster than the Titan Pascal/GTX 1080 Ti, so this is just pure speculation.

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:01

simatron3000 said:
How much quicker we reckon this will be then, 20% more than 1080ti?

I would say around 10% depending on clocks.

orbitalwalsh · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:01

what was the ram speed of the old school Titan XP ? 10? Trying to see if with the unlocked cores they also gave the ram a pump up in speed, which looks like it did

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:03

Yea was 10Gbps. The new chips are 11.4Gbps.

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:04

TheRealDeal said:
The only difference there was the Maxwell Titan was the full part and the 980ti had 2 x smu's missing. The current 1080ti only has 1 smu missing compared to the current Titan XP. With Nvidia releasing this part the current 1080ti now has 2 x smu's missing just like the 980ti did. With Maxwell there was no new part to release unlike here.

You don't know your NVidia cards do you, you may want to look up the specs for the existing Pascal cards.

On another subject there was nothing to stop NVidia launching a fully enabled Maxwell Ti card using all the cores on the chip just like they did with Kepler and the 780 Ti.

orbitalwalsh · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:06

just spoke to a vendor or two, gob smacked ...

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:07

Kaapstad said:
You don't know your NVidia cards do you, you may want to look up the specs for the existing Pascal cards.

On another subject there was nothing to stop NVidia launching a fully enabled Maxwell Ti card using all the cores on the chip just like they did with Kepler and the 780 Ti.

Yep i just assumed with the 1080ti being cut down that's what they had done. Same SMU's but cut down Bus and Rop's. Still my point stands there was no new part for Maxwell unlike here which is my main point.

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:08

Toss3 said:
Not if they end up losing money; nvidia is all about products that require a premium over their competitors' so if they suddenly came out with a high-end volta with no competitive mid-range products, their stock price would plummet. Not sure why we are even having this discussion as I'm sure we both know there is no way Vega is going to end up faster than the Titan Pascal/GTX 1080 Ti, so this is just pure speculation.

If NVidia launched a high end Volta card it would not be difficult for them to roll out the mid range cards at the same time. The point is they are under no pressure to do any of this so yes they can just sit back and maximise profits.

D.P. · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:09

nashathedog said:
Exactly what I was thinking

Why not? Amyone who wants the fastest gpu will want this, It's no surprise though. This is the Titan Pascal Black. The only difference being this has been released before Vega where as the last Black released after the 290x, I wonder if they know something we don't and simply want to maximise sales before the new King arrives?

Unlikely. This card wont get many sales full stop, regardless of what Vega is, let alone a lo of the people buying at the high end will be well aware of vega. This card is for marketing purposes and to rub more dirt in to AMD. When Vega is launched and reviewed there will likely be a stack of Nvidia cards that appear faster (2x Titans, 1080-ti). If Nvidia really had some accurate information that vega would be way faster then Nvidia first line of attack would be to cut prices once Vega was launched. They would have also not released the 1080ti or TXP2, but made a respin of the Pascal to try and squeeze out a little more performance and release a tweaked version where core clocks are pushed higher (at the sacrifice of overclocking headroom), as well as shift a lot of driver development resoruces at microptimizing for more benchmark games. , i.e., reduce the performance delta and make cost competitive cards.

Releasing vanila pascal chips seems to suggest they aren't worried about vega. Doesn't mean Vega will be bad, just that it wont leave their card in the dust. Something that competes with the 1080 and is a bit cheaper is fine for Nvidia, they will just watch sales figures and decide if a price cut is needed down the raod

TheRealDeal · 6 Apr 2017 at 16:10

Kaapstad said:
If NVidia launched a high end Volta card it would not be difficult for them to roll out the mid range cards at the same time. The point is they are under no pressure to do any of this so yes they can just sit back and maximise profits.

Why are you assuming that Nvidia can just magically release a chip that's not ready for full on manufacturing. Nvidia are not magician's

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