Next England Manager? Next England Captain?

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So after last night’s embarrassing exit to the hands of Iceland and Woy doing the right thing and resigning - who's the next man to take England forward?

Worryingly for me there are no obvious candidates? Gareth Southgate is the bookies favourite but personally didn't rate him at Middlesbrough and doesn't inspire me. I would have said Gary Neville who is current Assistant Manager but has his reputation been ruined by his stint at Valencia and being part of Roy's coaching team at the World Cup and Euros?

Personally I’d like to see Eddie Howe get it, use to want Redknapp to get it but that's unlikely now or do you think the FA should look for a foreign coach - Wenger? Pellegrini?

.... or does it not matter who we get as coach we will always suck? :D

Also for me with Rooney ageing and his poor performance yesterday i don't think he should lead us there is some debate if he should be in the starting 11, should he continue to captain us and if not who is the right man, there doesn't appear to be a Tony Adams or John Terry or any leaders in this squad, i do think we build a new younger England squad with the likes of Rashford and Barkley starting?
 
What we need is someone who buys into an England Philosophy we should be setting out a playing style through the age groups and setting all our teams up to play in a similar way this is why I think it will go to Southgate we have been seeing some decent success in age group football in recent times and if we bring in a lower profile manager on less money with a brief to pick players to play a certain shape and style we will be better for it.

England Captain I haven't got a clue as I'm not even sure who is a certain starter, before this tournament I would have said Hart was a certainty to Captain the team at some point but I'm not sure I'd pick him for the next game he has shown he clearly can't handle the pressure!
 
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Someone who has the balls to pick the correct players and not take people like Wilshere who didn't even play 90 minutes all season.

We also need a new #1 keeper, Hart clearly shown why he isn't good enough. Several high profile mistakes doesn't inspire confidence.
 
Interesting look at the upcoming selection of the new manager (Times):


After England’s inglorious departure from Euro 2016, Roy Hodgson’s inevitable own exit leaves the FA searching for its 18th manager since Walter Winterbottom took over from the International Select Committee.

The FA needs first to decide the people leading the search, then establish what type of manager is best suited — whether English, “Anglo” or foreign — decide on the preferred candidate and then go for him.


Dan Ashworth, the FA’s technical director, will be the driving force in the process, working with Martin Glenn, the chief executive, with input from Dave Reddin, the head of performance services, who proved hugely successful in helping rugby union players and cyclists achieve their maximum potential. What this triumvirate first requires is more experience of dressing-room life, a helping hand from a former England player and manager like Glenn Hoddle.

He left the FA in controversial circumstances, following his abhorrent comments about the disabled in 1999, and further contrition would be required before Hoddle could be allowed back in to shape events again. But his counsel should be sought. He was a visionary coach, lacking only some man-management skills, and the way he set up England to get the point in Rome to qualify for France ’98 was a tactical masterstroke. The frontrunning Ian Wright hounded Italy’s defenders all night. Hoddle has been there, done it, got the tournament T-shirt, made the mistakes and could guide Ashworth, Glenn and Reddin. Hoddle still has so much to give the game he graced as a player.

Once the search party is scrambled, the FA has to consider the type of manager. The appeal of a foreigner has strengthened with the successes of two Australians, Eddie Jones and Trevor Bayliss, with England’s rugby union and cricket teams respectively. So why not football?

Simple. The governing body would immediately lose the argument with the Premier League about the number of foreigners blocking the pathway of home-grown youth if it parachuted in another Swede or Italian. What message would it also send to club chairmen?

It would effectively give owners carte blanche to carry on appointing foreign coaches, further strangling the possibility of an English manager being given a chance. International football should be nation’s best against nation’s best, whether players or managers. Anyway, the likes of Arsène Wenger and José Mourinho are too committed elsewhere, and intelligent, to accept such a poisoned chalice.

Non-English managers who have made their name in the English game will be mentioned. Brendan Rodgers and Roberto Martínez have their admirers at St George’s Park yet, again, what message does it send to aspiring English coaches, diligently doing their badges?

For all Hodgson’s ultimate failure, the FA has to appoint another Englishman. Sam Allardyce will have his backers in the media, and interviewed well in 2006. Steve Bruce may be unfashionable and deemed more of an expert in getting sides promoted.

Alan Pardew will be mentioned and his hour-long address on his career to FA coaches at St George’s Park last year was impressive for those of us allowed to sit in. Eddie Howe, of Bournemouth, is young and ambitious but would he consider The Impossible Job a risk so early in his career? Ditto the excellent Sean Dyche, of Burnley.


Gary Neville has the strength of character to manage his country one day, but he needs to deepen his knowledge of the managerial arts. Those with children of school age also have to consider the inevitable impact on their family because of the headlines.

The obvious candidate is Gareth Southgate, the England Under-21 head coach whose stock dipped a year ago with a hapless performance at the European Championship in the Czech Republic but has risen this summer by steering the under-20s to success in the Toulon Tournament.

The 45-year-old is widely admired at the FA, has spent a decade in management, and knows many of the younger players like Harry Kane, John Stones, Dele Alli and Eric Dier. Southgate is considered a beacon of the FA coaching system and it might make sense to appoint him as a caretaker, giving him the first four 2018 World Cup qualifiers to allow the FA more breathing space in their recruitment drive or enough of an audition to prove himself.

England’s first game is on September 4, away to Slovakia as England embark on the road to the 2018 World Cup. The following competitive fixtures are Malta (home), Slovenia (away), Scotland (home) and Lithuania (home) before a trip to Hampden Park on June 10. It is a negotiable group.

Nobody knows whether Southgate possesses the qualities until he is tried out. He is steelier than his polite, smiling persona would indicate. He would inevitably have to deal with questions about penalties, having infamously missed at Euro ’96. Yet it took strength of character to recover. He’s no Mourinho or Guardiola, but he could be the best prospect the FA can call upon.

The fact that there are so few alternatives, a situation that has hitherto helped Hodgson, is a huge issue for the FA, but it also underlines why the organisation has been so right to invest in the coaching hub at St George’s Park.

If only it had been opened earlier, developing more coaches on the Pro Licence course, sending them around the country, helping nurture young players or embedding them in clubs, giving them more experience, preparing them for future responsibility. If only more people at the FA had been less blinkered, seeing its importance, and not allowed the site near Burton to lie fallow for almost a decade, before opening in 2012.

The FA also has to address the problem of too many former internationals sitting in television and radio studios and commentary boxes rather than in dugouts. Players should be encouraged to take up their coaching badges younger or given a national age-group side to assist. FA thinking needs to go deeper than simply finding a replacement for Hodgson.
 
Gary Neville has the strength of character to manage his country one day, but he needs to deepen his knowledge of the managerial arts. Those with children of school age also have to consider the inevitable impact on their family because of the headlines.

I feel like I'm missing something here. I don't get it.
 
Squad's already laughably young. not sure we need to screw the ages down further.

I think there were some managerial failings but, mostly, I don't think we have good enough players to consider ourselves one of the best in Europe.

I can see why Roy took Wilshere - he's far more talented than anyone else in his position. It didn't pay off, with his lack of sharpness, but I'm not sure who else would have improved much on what we saw on the pitch.

Southgate is an alright choice. At least he'll be cheap anyway.
 
Manager wise, think the only one I'd go with is Eddie Howe, someone young and not afraid to make decisions.

Captain; Rooney just needs to go. I have a feeling he'll come out and retire or at least give up the captaincy. We do need an older head to be captain though so I'd probably go with Cahill for now.

Keeper; I agree it's time to give someone else a chance. Based on last season it would be Butland but we'll have to see how he comes back from his injury. Forster has been great the past few seasons. I'd also like to see how Hart comes back from this.

All in all, we need some big changes, it's just not working. We need someone to come in and be ruthless, trim the deadwood and know how he wants to play football. I know in football you need a plan a, b, c etc but I think number 1 on the list is to actually get a plan a to begin with.
 
Manager wise, think the only one I'd go with is Eddie Howe, someone young and not afraid to make decisions.

Captain; Rooney just needs to go. I have a feeling he'll come out and retire or at least give up the captaincy. We do need an older head to be captain though so I'd probably go with Cahill for now.

Keeper; I agree it's time to give someone else a chance. Based on last season it would be Butland but we'll have to see how he comes back from his injury. Forster has been great the past few seasons. I'd also like to see how Hart comes back from this.

All in all, we need some big changes, it's just not working. We need someone to come in and be ruthless, trim the deadwood and know how he wants to play football. I know in football you need a plan a, b, c etc but I think number 1 on the list is to actually get a plan a to begin with.

Rooneys already come out and said he's not retiring unfortunatly :(

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/10326988/england-captain-wayne-rooney-says-he-will-not-retire-from-international-football

I don't think Cahill is good enough i'd rather see Stones start ahead of him, and definatly give Butland or Forster a chance :cool:
 
Smalling & Stones just doesn't work together as much as it'd probably be better for the future.

& about Rooney, hopefully the new manager evaluates things and still picks a new captain. Rooney can't come out of this unscaved.
 
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Rooney was our best player in the tournament!

(ok, not much of an accolade, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater)
 
please not southgate. Hardly the "inspirational" leader that England are looking for.

I like someone like Pardew, no nonsense, good knowledge of the players etc.

How the hell people like Shearer, Waddle, Hoddle are getting quoted is ridiculous. None of them have any decent experience or recent management.

England have to find a system and stick to it. Whether it's 4-2-3-1 or whatever. But for god sake, play the players in the right positions. Simple.

Drop/don't play players that aren't in form etc. Wiltshire, Sterling, Sturridge all terrible, out of form, hardly played all season but play in a Euro last 16 game.

Vardy has a right to be annoyed - works harder that Sturridge/Sterling combined.

I agreed - Rooney still has a place in that team, whether it's part of a slightly more defensive 2/creative role but I still think he's the only player that actually lifts his head up and can play a pass.
 
Rooneys already come out and said he's not retiring unfortunatly :(

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/10326988/england-captain-wayne-rooney-says-he-will-not-retire-from-international-football

I don't think Cahill is good enough i'd rather see Stones start ahead of him, and definatly give Butland or Forster a chance :cool:

I respect Rooney for not retiring, I've never been a fan of people retiring from international football it takes a much bigger man to say I'm available if needed and accept not being picked than it does to spit the dummy and walk away.
 
How can people still think Rooney has a place in the team? We had to change up everything just to accommodate him. He got the captaincy when people were questioning him in the team but he's past it now.
 
I can see why Roy took Wilshere - he's far more talented than anyone else in his position. It didn't pay off, with his lack of sharpness, but I'm not sure who else would have improved much on what we saw on the pitch.

If he is more talented than anyone else in his position, then why didn't he start all the games? It was an utter joke that he was selected.

I'd have taken players who have played more than 141 minutes in a season for starters - Drinkwater (a Premier League winning midfielder) for one.
 
Southgate isnt a bad shout - I wouldnt want Howe to ruin his growing career by taking on whats impossible right now , once he has a bit more top level experience then it might be a good call - Southgate is well known by the FA has some good experience lower down and a bit of steel about him.

Rooney isnt and shouldnt be an automatic starter so shouldnt be captain, and Hart has been woeful and shouldnt even be in the squad. Who is left in the squad that is old enough to have a decent amount of experience but young enough to still be around in 2 or 4 years time for the WC / next euros that would be a definite starter? Cant see Cahill being around in 2 or 4 years time at any decent level, Milner? Smalling? wilshere? Llanana?

There just arent that many with that much experience in the England set up (although there are plenty with international experience at club level).

(may be missing some that arent in the sqaud this time round with experience but cant think off the top of my head)
 
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They'd never do it but I'd give it to Hoddle, this isn't a management job, this isn't club football, this is about getting the best group of players and moulding them into a team. He's already proven he can do that and if he'd kept his mouth shut would never have been sacked the first time around. We seem to be at a bit of a crossroads, younger managers like Southgate and Howe aren't ready. Older managers like Allardyce, Redknapp and Steve Bruce have already been overlooked, can't see them going back to them. The alternative is another foreign manager and I can't think of anyone available, or anyone stupid enough to want the job, who is any better than what we have.

As for captain, it has to be taken from Rooney, I can't remember seeing one occasion in the entire tournament or in recent time that he has actually done anything remotely captain like during a game. It needs to be someone vocal, needs to be someone reliable and needs to be someone the other players respect. Looking down the list of players we have, or have had in recent squads, there really isn't anyone who meets those requirements. I would have said Hart but he has been so poor I'm not sure that's sending out the right message. From what's left, I'd have to say Smalling as surely he's going to be in the team for at least the next 6 years alongside Stones.
 
I'd like to see Hoddle in charge again, he'd pick the teams the majority of us want to see, it's about time the blame starts to lay solely on the players if we don't perform instead of poor management as well.
 
I honestly don't think it matters who the manager is. England will walk the WC qualifiers again, get to the WC, and then not show up. It's been like that for the last 20 years.

England's first qualifier is away to Slovakia (of all teams) and I bet you England win it comfortably. As the qualifiers progress the hype and expectation will start to build. England will have 2 or 3 friendlies before the start of the WC, play poorly, and then people will start to worry again as they don't look like the same team that walked the qualifiers.

Then they will be lucky to get out the group again, regardless of who's in it, and if they do manage to get out of the group they will probably be beaten by the next team they play.

Something is wrong with the England set up and nobody knows what it is.
 
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