Next generation AMD cards to be launched at same time as BF4??

Rusty0611 · 29 May 2013 at 17:56

LtMatt said:
It was aimed at Rusty Galloway.

lol I wasn't baiting. It was an aggressive post.

Even humbugington's admitted it

Darujhistan · 29 May 2013 at 17:56

Many people will just buy Nvidia over AMD irrespective of cost, the herd instinct is very strong with GPU users.

I don't see why AMD should rush out cards right now, when they can lump BF4 in with their new range, it's very smart to me. Undercut NV at price/performance and then lump in some games including the years biggest title.

I don't what people are complaining about.

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 17:57

The 7970 was a paper launch.
7950 to GTX680 was 2 month then, my bad

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Although the 7970 held the single GPU crown when the GHZ edition/Drivers etc came out, as the GTX680 was the better GPU at first.

Darujhistan said:
I don't see why AMD should rush out cards right now, when they can lump BF4 in with their new range, it's very smart to me. Undercut NV at price/performance and then lump in some games including the years biggest title.

I don't what people are complaining about.

Because a 22 month generation is not even remotely close to rushing.
The 5870 was replaced by the 6970 after 14 months.
The GTX580 replaced the GTX480 after about 10 months.

Moving on from the 6970 to 28nm took like 18 months, and that was quite a wait too.

humbug · 29 May 2013 at 17:59

Gregster said:
Now talking of next gen AMD cards.

This is why I asked Humbug if he was coming to my way of thinking....

Originally Posted by humbug
I very much doubt it will be on 28nm, that would give it a 750mm^2 core.

They use the same slide and came to the same specifications conclusion, and then said blanketley its 28nm, not 20nm.

The slide does not indicate what the process is, but I think most sensible people would and have come to the conclusion that it must be 20nm, for 28nm would be impossible with those specs.

That's what your talking about?

Gregster, yet again you have cynically quoted a person out of context, you know I responded to an article reporting what was effectively doubling the DIE size. They said it would be 4096 SP on 28nm = 750mm^2.
Do you even read what people are saying or do you have your troll hat on?

I very much doubt it will be on 28nm, that would give it a 750mm^2 core

Don't you agree a 750mm^2 is completely ridicules?

you need to take a breather, calm down.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 May 2013 at 18:00

The HD9970 according to the leaks will arrived 5 months later,than the Nvidia equivalent.

The problem is that the GTX780 at its current price,ie,over £500 really does not affect any current AMD single GPU card.

The GTX770 might,but still the HD7970GE is still going to be competitive I suspect.

Its going to not much different like in the past where the AMD top card was typically around the same speed as the second fastest Nvidia card,since the latter went for much bigger dies anyway.

Even,if the HD9970 is only around 25% to 30% faster than a HD7970GE,it is still going to be around GTX780 level performance,but probably cheaper to make anyway. They will probably end up pricing it cheaper anyway.

Tahiti,despite having the hardware still needs better balance as shown by later chips like Pitcairn,so I can see the HD9970 easily having that performance increase anyway.

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 18:01

It doesn't have to be the 4K shader beast on 28nm as it'd be ridonculous.

I can't believe they'd wait 22 months to bring out a 30% faster 28nm part.
But then you can't believe Nvidia would launch a 28nm part 4 months away from 20nm.

Look at all the angles people

Either Nvidia have REALLLLLLY dropped the ball, or AMD have waited and dropped the ball.

Gregster · 29 May 2013 at 18:02

I am far from in the no but I have seen so many say they will be getting a PS4 or Xbox One and to hell with the PC because of the prices of GPU's but AMD have the 7950 priced at a point it would be hard to say no. Releasing a new AMD GPU at a price point that makes Nvidia look greedy just makes sense and could keep those PC gamers thinking of jumping ship to the consoles.

My tuppence worth anyways.

~>Dg<~ · 29 May 2013 at 18:04

i dont get why people are so fussed so what if launching in october

what people need to realize is bf4 is basically bf3 re-skinned so what games need anymore power this year? = none.

also october /november new consoles launch bang !

gunna be hard sell.

Gregster · 29 May 2013 at 18:12

humbug said:
That's what your talking about?

Gregster, yet again you have cynically quoted a person out of context, you know I responded to an article reporting what was effectively doubling the DIE size. They said it would be 4096 SP on 28nm = 750mm^2.
Do you even read what people are saying or do you have your troll hat on?

Don't you agree a 750mm^2 is completely ridicules?

you need to take a breather, calm down.

What are you on about? I asked you a simple question. Do you think the next release will be on 20nm or 28nm (I thought that was clear and I showed our discussion from earlier). I said all along that I felt AMD would release a refresh of 28nm and I don't care if I am right or wrong. I got some info from earlier roadmaps and research and this is why I based it on that. I know you have said before that you have dyslexia but surely you can understand the question?

I am not showing any aggression or trolling and I have a nice cup of tea, so feeling perfectly calm

If you didn't want to answer, you could have just ignored (not sure why all this polava over a simple question).

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 May 2013 at 18:12

Martini1991 said:
It doesn't have to be the 4K shader beast on 28nm as it'd be ridonculous.

I can't believe they'd wait 22 months to bring out a 30% faster 28nm part.
But then you can't believe Nvidia would launch a 28nm part 4 months away from 20nm.

Look at all the angles people

Either Nvidia have REALLLLLLY dropped the ball, or AMD have waited and dropped the ball.

How fast is the rest of the GTX700 range compared to the GTX600 series??
Its under 30% and even the GTX780 is pretty much that AFAIK,and Nvidia did that using a mahoosive chip and charges over £500 for it.

AMD,are not going for as big a GPU as Nvidia,so there are going to be limits to what performance increases they get at the top end. If they can hit GTX780 level performance(which is near that of Geforce Titan) with a smaller chip and a cheaper card,that would be good enough IMHO.

If anything,the leaks indicate it is the cards under £250,where we might see decent performance jumps.

Moreover,I would rather prefer they get more work done on getting as much driver performance out of GCN as much as possible,so the next cards can hit the ground running. We might still see some good performance improvements out of the current cards IMHO.

spoffle · 29 May 2013 at 18:15

555BUK said:
Backing both horses makes you more likely to win, but also means you may back a loser. Both horses can also dead-heat or finish lame, although this time around my money is on Sony. Microsoft have upset too many fans before even launching the ONE., but I digress.

AMD is gonna make money on the PS4 and Xbox One regardless of if one or both fail.

LtMatt · 29 May 2013 at 18:19

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Moreover,I would rather prefer they get more work done on getting as much driver performance out of GCN as much as possible,so the next cards can hit the ground running. We might still see some good performance improvements out of the current cards IMHO.

I for one would love that, not sure how much is left in the tank though. Looking forward to seeing anands review of the 770 so i can compare it to a 7970 ghz.

spoffle · 29 May 2013 at 18:24

Rroff said:
Looks like they are angling for the Christmas market - which would make sense they'd struggle to realise the full sales potential unless the cards were significantly faster than Titan or proper next gen 20nm releaseing in the wake of the 700 series launch. Releasing before Titan would have given nVidia too many possibilities to spoil their launch also.

Performance will be secondary to price. They don't need to be significantly faster than a Titan as long as the price is sensible.

Martini1991 said:
See this is where the confusion comes in.
Gibbo's said they've not laid back, their next GPU is ready.

Which doesn't compute, as it'd have to be 28nm for it to be ready, which would mean waiting to launch it is waiting around, as it only lessens the time to 20nm.

Or it's ready bar TMSC and they're waiting on them, which is still waiting around.

I don't see how it's possibly good for business when there isn't a choice to go AMD if you want better single GPU performance, as your only avenue is Nvidia.

Also, it's not really anything to do with changing minds, they can't radically change and release in months, it takes time.

Realistically, they haven't been waiting. nVidia have been quite reactionary towards them. AMD has been taking chunks of marketshare away from nVidia with the 7 series, they really have little reason to jump right now.

nVidia hasn't even released anything new at the pricepoints where volume sales come in at. Those who demand the performance only a Titan offers in a single GPU aren't a large amount of people, as before, volume sales is where the money is, that and there are plenty of people happy to use multiple GPUs.

Regardless though, you speak as if they aren't doing anything, when really they've been putting more and more work in to the software side of things and being quite transparent in that regard.

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 18:29

I just want to buy new stuff

spoffle · 29 May 2013 at 18:30

Martini1991 said:
It doesn't have to be the 4K shader beast on 28nm as it'd be ridonculous.

I can't believe they'd wait 22 months to bring out a 30% faster 28nm part.
But then you can't believe Nvidia would launch a 28nm part 4 months away from 20nm.

Look at all the angles people

Either Nvidia have REALLLLLLY dropped the ball, or AMD have waited and dropped the ball.

I think nVidia has dropped the ball, as the "7" series just looks like they didn't at all know what they were going to do. I think the 7 series is completely reactionary to AMD gaining market share on nVidia, because all they're doing is recycling chips from other products.

I'm even skeptical over Titan as well, whether they released it as a purely reactionary measure to get some attention coming their way.

spoffle · 29 May 2013 at 18:31

Martini1991 said:
I just want to buy new stuff

GTX770s are brand new! Get one of those!

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 18:33

The 7XX just being a cut down titan and so far a rebranded 680, could that be evidence that the 20nm is close? As in, Nvidia didn't make something new for 28nm.

If the new AMD stuff is 20nm, then I can kind of forgive the 22 month thing.

I just don't know what to think anymore.

spoffle · 29 May 2013 at 18:39

That's my thinking in regards to nVidia, they did this as a purely reactionary measure because they didn't have anything else planned for 28nm.

555BUK · 29 May 2013 at 19:14

spoffle said:
That's my thinking in regards to nVidia, they did this as a purely reactionary measure because they didn't have anything else planned for 28nm.

How can it be reactionary when 20nm will not be here for 3-6 months? Preemptive perhaps, but not reactionary.

se_vietboi · 29 May 2013 at 19:27

Argh BF4 hurry and release!