NHS Database Opt Out
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Why do you think that - Because the drugs company told you possibly ?
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/body_and_soul/article2693996.ece
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Simply wrong see above example and my earlier post. We were talking about ethnicity anyway which is more specific than a broader race definition.
Nope because diseases target people of certain ethnic origins, a good example of this would be SLE.
Erm no, because I have read and understand the research evidence.
Why do you think the opposite - Because the voices told you possibly?
because there is good clinical evidence to show it is true.
it's call science in case you where wondering.
it's what people do when random prejudices or old wives tales will not do.
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Genetically speaking this is the ONLY thing that differentiates one race from another.
the reason someone is black or white is because of genetics. nothing more, nothing less.
we are only just starting to realise that this also effects peoples vulnerability to different conditions and treatments.
looks like we are starting to move out of this stupid PC gone mad world into another where we realise we ARE different and need different solutions sometimes.
please don't start being an ass and messing this up.
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Indeed, Blame the news reports for that.
news wouldnt sell as rapidly if they said.
HEADLINE: DATA STORED ON DATABASE. BUT DONT WORRY ITS ENCRYPTED AND WELL SECURED.
No they prefer headlines such as.
HEADLINE: For sale: Your most intimate secrets... thanks to the national NHS database
And they follow it up with other accounts of data going missing, Who cares if the data that went missing was actually unreadable. News wouldnt report that would they, because again, there would be no fear to sell the story.
And then people who know nothing about computers, or people easily swayed fall behind the story and think its evil.
Just a few problems with that though, firstly your GP's system is likely to integrate with the new patient records system rather than just being on a central system, from that specific system he'd still need smart card access to access the central system. The situation you describe is how it could work at the moment, not with the new system...
Even if you got your GP's password for the central records system it would be useless to you, you're not going to obtain millions of records to sell if you did manage to get into the system, you'll be able to access individual records which you had to write down or otherwise copy the details of, and those records would be a massive massive subset of the whole NHS, probably restricted to patients of that GP; and again you could only gain this access from within the GP's surgery.
What if you're more worried about it being sold 'legitimtely'?
HEADLINE: GOVERNMENT SHOCKER - DATA STORED ON DATABASE TO BE SOLD TO THIRD PARTIES UNDER NEW 'PUBLIC INTEREST' CLAUSE
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Even I know that this is nonsense, there are other (physical) security measures and NO GP will logout every time a patient leaves his surgery and back in again when the next one comes in - it is hard enough to persuade them to log out overnight.
As to Foxy's analysis of people choosing to opt-out because of FUD, I would suggest that it has far more to do with the Government and NHS having failed to sell the benefits to patients and the failure of the Government to specify clearly what the data can and cannot be used for. I am absolutely certain that sooner rather than later, the data will be sold on to defray costs - it will of course be anonymised to make it a wee bit difficult to tie it back to individuals
I still maintain that the whole system is an unworkable white elephant promoted by lobbyists and designed to subsidise suppliers, probably including Microsoft and Google.
Whereas he immediatly locks the paper records away?
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You obviously don't understand how this can affect future Private medical payments or Life Insurance contributions then
And considering most of us will be privately covered in 10 years time (because the NHS will be a thing of the past) - that is pretty short sighted to say the least. How do you think the NHS will generate double what they need now in ten years time ? Imagine a country with it's entire population on a database.......all their blood types, their ailments, and their medical history.
Imagine how important that would be to a drugs company (with the odd 5Billion $ to pay the NHS) or a company developing a targeted ailment - something like Swine Flu - only a lot less obvious - or pathetic (as in - I must get that swine flu jag because the media says it's so, so bad)
Why would I want anyone to see my medical records???? I'm allergic to nothing.... They can test my bloodtype in 5 seconds, I have nothing they need to know.... and I have no past history. If I had a major condition - why not have some personal method of telling them I have a medical condition, rather than something they can sell on.
For Gods sake - open you eyes.
Have you got any sources to back this post up?
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That's a good point actually. All GPs will obviously have Root access to the database and will be able to make unlimited queries to the database.
Doctors don't make mistakes and anyway those mistakes don't cost lives! Groen has zero credible justification. Erm sorry I mean the NHS.
good thing they don't then isn't it.