Nibiru..2012 the end?

Yet you believe in some ancient mystical/religious prophecy?:confused:

I don't believe in some supreme being.
Yet

I am open to the fact that it can be plausible that there is another planet/dwarf star that is in a long orbit within our solar system.
 
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I watched/listened to this one and found it far from convincing, aside from the repeated "if you assume that XX improbable event is true then you assume that XX subsequent event is true plus XX further is true then Planet X is a brown dwarf that is on a collision course with Earth" vagaries the main thing mitigating against it being true is that (as Angillion has frequently pointed out) if a brown dwarf was close enough to hit Earth within the next 2 years then we'd be able to see it by now, not just with infra-red telescopes but with ordinary telescopes that almost any stargazer would have.


it is not going to hit, why do people think its going to hit us? If its true the problem is the effect it will have on our planet just by passing by at a relative close distance. The moon alters our tides with its mavity imagine what a dense dwarf star/planet with multiple earth masses could do to our tides/crust/magnetism.

Yes you discount the high brow scientific facts such as "we would be able to see it".

it is still to far out to be seen with crappy telescopes I guess, none knows the speed this thing could be travelling.






All I am saying is that I cannot and will not discount this as pure fantasy, I understand your scepticism and respect that.But You or nobody else can guarantee me 100% that this is all BS.

Can you?






"
"The third angel sounded his trumpet,
and a great star, blazing like a torch,
fell from the sky on a third of the rivers
and on the springs of water
- the name of the star is Wormwood."
Revelation 8:10-11"


http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/neo/

Project Wormwood
Learmonth Solar Observatory
 
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I don't believe in some supreme being.
Yet

I am open to the fact that it can be plausible that there is another planet/dwarf star that is in a long orbit within our solar system.

But it can't be plausible because if it was so then by now there would be unequivocal proof of its existence and there isn't. If it was a dwarf star, anyone with normal vision would be able to see it by now. See it with the naked eye, from the surface of Earth, even in broad daylight or in a city with all the lights on. It would be brighter than a full moon! Even a planet would be visible by now with a telescope, so millions of amateur astronomers would be able to see it. The gravitational effects would have produced anomalies in the orbits of bodies in the outer solar system, which would have been detected by thousands of people in observatories.

It is not plausible. Not at all. Not even possible.

It's possible that there's a Pluto-sized rock, maybe even a small rocky planet, way out in the Oort cloud. It's not possible that it's coming here in less than 3 years time. It's not just implausible. It's impossible.

As for the 2012 date...if you're an atheist, as you said you were just a couple of posts ago, why do you believe in the Mayan religious creation story? You have to do so in order to get that date, it is absolutely required.
 
But it can't be plausible because if it was so then by now there would be unequivocal proof of its existence and there isn't. If it was a dwarf star, anyone with normal vision would be able to see it by now. See it with the naked eye, from the surface of Earth, even in broad daylight or in a city with all the lights on. It would be brighter than a full moon! Even a planet would be visible by now with a telescope, so millions of amateur astronomers would be able to see it.

It is currently to far away I guess?

The gravitational effects would have produced anomalies in the orbits of bodies in the outer solar system, which would have been detected by thousands of people in observatories.

I am sure that there are but its hardly going to made public is it?

As for the 2012 date...if you're an atheist, as you said you were just a couple of posts ago, why do you believe in the Mayan religious creation story? You have to do so in order to get that date, it is absolutely required.

Sorry what about Sumerian, Egyptian, aztec histories? I do not believe in a god but can see that there is some truth in the biblical story of noahs flood as there is documented evidence of a global deluge and it is hard wired into countless cultures (link) So I can take some meaning from this religious stories without being held to there beliefs as there is often hidden knowledge of past events written into them.

Flood myths in various cultures
1.1 Ancient Near East
1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Jewish
1.1.4 Islamic
1.2 Asia-Pacific
1.2.1 China
1.2.2 Lao (Indochina)
1.2.3 India
1.2.4 Andaman Islands
1.2.5 Indonesia
1.2.6 Australia
1.2.7 New Zealand
1.2.8 Malaysia
1.3 Europe
1.3.1 Greek
1.3.1.1 Ogyges
1.3.1.2 Deucalion
1.3.1.3 Dardanus
1.3.1.4 From The Theogony of Apollodorus
1.3.2 Germanic
1.3.3 Irish
1.3.4 Finnish
1.4 Americas
1.4.1 Aztec
1.4.2 Caddo
1.4.3 Hopi
1.4.4 Inca
1.4.5 Maya
1.4.6 Mapuche
1.4.7 Menominee
1.4.8 Mi'kmaq
1.5 Polynesian
 
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I watched/listened to this one and found it far from convincing, aside from the repeated "if you assume that XX improbable event is true then you assume that XX subsequent event is true plus XX further is true then Planet X is a brown dwarf that is on a collision course with Earth" vagaries the main thing mitigating against it being true is that (as Angillion has frequently pointed out) if a brown dwarf was close enough to hit Earth within the next 2 years then we'd be able to see it by now, not just with infra-red telescopes but with ordinary telescopes that almost any stargazer would have.

More than that - you could see it with the naked eye from the surface of Earth. Brown dwarfs are referred to as being very dim and they are...for stars. They put out quite a bit of visible light. If one was on the alleged orbit and was passing by on the alleged date then by now it would be comparable in brightness on Earth to a full moon. It's possible to calculate the brightness as seen from Earth accurately (within a range for the brightness of brown dwarfs) but I'd be pushed to do it myself and there wouldn't be any point as it's obvious that evidence means nothing to followers of this entirely faith-based belief.
 
it is not going to hit, why do people think its going to hit us? If its true the problem is the effect it will have on our planet just by passing by at a relative close distance. The moon alters our tides with its mavity imagine what a dense dwarf star/planet with multiple earth masses could do to our tides/crust/magnetism.

Hit, close pass...the difference is irrelevant to detection. On an astronomical scale, that distance is negligable. It makes no difference whatsoever to how easy it is to detect something as obviously as a massive planet, let alone a star. It's like being able to see a flourescent elephant from 10 feet away or 10 feet and half an inch away.

it is still to far out to be seen with crappy telescopes I guess, none knows the speed this thing could be travelling.

You guess wrong. Remember that we have an alleged period of orbit, an alleged position at a specific time and a solid understanding of the motion of bodies in space. If it existed and it was unpowered, it would be possible to calculate a position and velocity.

So you're left with it being powered, i.e. a weapon launched by a hostile alien civilisation. That's the only scenarion that can't be proven wrong.

All I am saying is that I cannot and will not discount this as pure fantasy, I understand your scepticism and respect that.But You or nobody else can guarantee me 100% that this is all BS.

Can you?

Yes. Anyone with a basic understanding of astronomy can do so. I can also guarantee you that you cannot accept the 21/12/2012 date without being a believer in Mayan religion, because that date is counted from an entirely religious starting point.
 
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Yes. Anyone with a basic understanding of astronomy can do so. I can also guarantee you that you cannot accept the 21/12/2012 date without being a believer in Mayan religion, because that date is counted from an entirely religious starting point.

You can if you take their work with the notation of time, the fact that they could map the solar system and its timings is completely separate to any belief system.


The Maya practiced a form of divination that centered on their elaborate calendar system and extensive knowledge of astronomy. It was the job of the priests to discern lucky days from unlucky ones, and advising the rulers on the best days to plant, harvest, wage war, etc. They were especially interested in the movements of the planet Venus — the Maya rulers scheduled wars to coordinate with its rise in the heavens.
A Mayan calendar.


The Mayan calendar was very advanced, and consisted of a solar year of 365 days. It was divided into 18 months of 20 days each, followed by a five-day period that was highly unlucky. There was also a 260-day sacred year (tzolkin), divided into days named by the combination of 13 numbers and 20 names.

For longer periods, the Maya identified an elaborate system of periods and cycles of various lengths. In ascending order, these were: kin (day); uinal (20 days); tun (18 uinals/360 days); katun (20 tuns/7,200 days); baktunbaktun (20 katuns/144,000 days), and so on, with the highest cycle being the alautun (23,040,000,000 days).

These units were used in the Maya Long Count, which calculated the time elapsed from a zero date set at 3114 BC. In the Postclassical Period, the method of notation was somewhat simplified, and the Long Count katuns end with the name Ahau (Lord), combined with one of 13 numerals; and their names form a Katun Round of 13 katuns.


This change makes it difficult to correlate the Mayan count with the Christian calendar, but scholars are fairly confident that the katun 13 Ahau, which seems to have had great significance for the Mayan, ended on November 14, 1539. It has been calculated that the next katun, which the Popul Vuh describes as the catastrophic end of the world, will end on December 21, 2012. Naturally, this has inspired quite a bit of speculation as to what might happen on this date.
 
It is currently to far away I guess?

Guess as much as you like, but either you're wrong or every astronomer for the last few centuries is wrong and much of physics is wrong.

I am sure that there are but its hardly going to made public is it?

A perfect conspiracy of thousands of people in hundreds of locations that never leaks. That's not very plausible. Even if it was, it would only cover one set of evidence that this myth is entirely fictional.

Sorry what about Sumerian, Egyptian, aztec histories?

What about them? Are you claiming they all have the date of 21/10/2012 for when a massive body hits or nearly hits Earth and the end of days ensues? If not, they're completely irrelevant.

Actually. they're completely irrelevant to this particular point even if that was the case (and I already know that it isn't).

You're making a count of days starting from the creation day of Mayan religion.

You cannot do so unless you believe the creation day of Mayan religion has great significance...which means you can't be an atheist.

Don't bother trying to distract me with irrelevant stories about stories of floods in different civilisations. It's obviously irrelevant to the question of why you attach such great importance to the creation day of Mayan religion when you say that you're an atheist.

Or were you just making a list which might make someone who doesn't read the post think you had some evidence?
 
Is it already here?It is outside our solar system at present isn't it at the moment?

The claim made in one of the videos above is that it's 9.2 AU away from the Sun (1 AU being the distance Earth is from the Sun). Uranus is just over 20 'AU'.
 
Perhaps it is simply we discover more about science and end religion once and for all.
That to me would the the golden age of man.
None of this "God told me to do it" rubbish.
Perhaps we finally nuke the fundamentalists.. or they nuke us. :/

Allah Akbar..
 
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