Nibiru..2012 the end?

also if nothing happens these people who say such a thing need a slap for causing mass panic, personally I don't really care too much, I m open minded, its like I may scare people by saying

"yeh the sun will engulf us one day" which is fact it will, when it does and gets a lot bigger, than can go two ways after that.

and yeah you would know about it, thats what I don't get. you would see it and "feel it" as it would be having quite a effect on earth AND OTHER PLANETS BY NOW
 
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How do you know it exists? Nobody has seen it. Period. LOL

I don't know but I am trying to believe that it has been recored in ancient cultures and has been documented to have passed before. Whether this is the correct interpretation of this is questionable but again nobody can prove or disprove.
 
also if nothing happens these people who say such a thing need a slap for causing mass panic, personally I don't really care too much, I m open minded, its like I may scare people by saying

"yeh the sun will engulf us one day" which is fact it will, when it does and gets a lot bigger

Don't read the thread then.
 
I don't know but I am trying to believe that it has been recored in ancient cultures and has been documented to have passed before. Whether this is the correct interpretation of this is questionable but again nobody can prove or disprove.

The comings and goings of gods have been recorded by ancient cultures too...
 
It is meant to be a brown dwarf isn't it? Even if it isn't a brown dwarf it would still be visible by now if it is going to be large enough to have a significant impact on us by passing close.

Christ you just going over the same thing over and over..... read the thread.
 
Don't read the thread then.

these things interest me, to be honest any space like interest me....no idea why... :p if its going to whip us all out than it will nothing one can do. One is going to die anyway, sooner or later, perfered later :p
 
I think it may have been noticed if there was another star in the solar system...


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Not my theory.

Walter Cruttenden at BRI, Professor Richard Muller at UC Berkeley, Dr. Daniel Whitmire of the University of Louisiana, amongst several others, have long speculated on the possibility that our sun might have an as yet undiscovered companion. Most of the evidence has been statistical rather than physical.

The recent discovery of Sedna, a small planet like object first detected by Cal Tech astronomer Dr. Michael Brown, provides what could be indirect physical evidence of a solar companion. Matching the recent findings by Dr. Brown, showing that Sedna moves in a highly unusual elliptical orbit, Cruttenden has determined that Sedna moves in resonance with previously published orbital data for a hypothetical companion star.

In the May 2006 issue of Discover, Dr. Brown stated: "Sedna shouldn't be there. There's no way to put Sedna where it is. It never comes close enough to be affected by the sun, but it never goes far enough away from the sun to be affected by other stars... Sedna is stuck, frozen in place; there's no way to move it, basically there's no way to put it there – unless it formed there. But it's in a very elliptical orbit like that. It simply can't be there. There's no possible way - except it is. So how, then?"

"I'm thinking it was placed there in the earliest history of the solar system. I'm thinking it could have gotten there if there used to be stars a lot closer than they are now and those stars affected Sedna on the outer part of its orbit and then later on moved away. So I call Sedna a fossil record of the earliest solar system. Eventually, when other fossil records are found, Sedna will help tell us how the sun formed and the number of stars that were close to the sun when it formed."

Walter Cruttenden agrees that Sedna's highly elliptical orbit is very unusual, but noted that the orbit period of 12,000 years is in neat resonance with the expected orbit periodicity of a companion star as outlined in several prior papers. Consequently, Cruttenden believes that Sedna's unusual orbit is something indicative of the current solar system configuration, not merely a historical record.

"It is hard to imagine that Sedna would retain its highly elliptical orbit pattern since the beginning of the solar system billions of years ago. Because eccentricity would likely fade with time, it is logical to assume Sedna is telling us something about current, albeit unexpected solar system forces, most probably a companion star".

Outside of a few popular articles, and Cruttenden's book "Lost Star of Myth and Time", which outlines historical references and the modern search for the elusive companion, the possibility of a binary partner star to our sun has been left to the halls of academia. But with Dr. Brown's recent discoveries of Sedna and Xena, (now confirmed to be larger than Pluto), and timing observations like Cruttenden's, the search for a companion star may be gaining momentum.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/05/maccarone_and_cheese_einstein.php
don't pretend to know much but have read a lot of stuff on this and there is a lot of evidence to show we really do know little about our small bit of space.



http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org.nyud.net:8090/index.shtml
 
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Not my theory.


don't pretend to know much but have read a lot of stuff on this and there is a lot of evidence to show we really do know little about our small bi of space.

yes we are a very inferior creation/race compared to what inhabits the universe,we have only been to the moon out of the billions of galaxies,multi verses and star systems(Suns) out there,we truly are the 'Universal Caveman".I believe what ever is out there we as a race could the creation of....
 
yes we are a very inferior creation/race compared to what inhabits the universe,we have only been to the moon out of the billions of galaxies,multi verses and star systems(Suns) out there,we truly are the 'Universal Caveman"..

What?:confused:


How are we inferior? by all odd we may be a hell of a lot more advanced than the majority of life out there even intelligent life.
 
other than the mass panic, collapse of the economy and social order.

Yer things as normal if they just announced the existence of X.

Get real.

They wouldn't need to - it would be impossible to hide.

So...according to your argument, the 2012 believers are trying to create mass panic, collapse of the economy and social order.
 
Devils advocate time. :D
Question!
What sort of cost would one be looking at for equipment to see far enough and in the right spectrum to pick this thing up should it even exist?

I'm guessing it wouldn't be the layman in his garden shed with a cardboard tube and a few mirrors?

So, if its now down to only the seriously professionals with space positioned satellites, I could quite imagine them being "under the thumb" from the government if it was a serious threat to humanity.
Can you imagine the destruction of society itself if this got out into the public domain.

We're not talking about small stuff or huge distances.

For a brown dwarf, you wouldn't need any equipment. It would be visible to the naked eye in daylight.

For a supermassive gas giant with an albedo the same as Saturn, you'd need good amateur kit and to use it at night.

So no, it isn't down to the relatively small number of people with access to telescopes in space.
 
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So we have a fairly good idea of how large it is supposed to be. The speed well nobody can really give a decent answer to that but if its coming this way and will be here in 2 years it better be going might damn superfast if we cant see it yet. Who knows maybe its on a tilt and phasing in and out of our plane of existance?

It is possible to make get more information from the known laws of planetary motion and the scattered claims about Nibiru. Of course, you have to pick one set from all the contradictory claims online.

It can't be travelling that fast or else it would escape from orbit and go whizzing off into deep space. In reality, to hit or pass close by on 21/12/2012, it would have to be practically next door by now. It isn't. So it isn't going to get here by then. Not that it exists anyway.
 
Another quick point (I might be entirely wrong of course).

Say this Brown Dwarf exists and is on an elliptical orbit and as Angilion states is around 20 times the mass of Jupiter.

I don't recall stating that. I refered to how the lowest mass attributed to Nibiru by believers is 15 times the mass of Jupiter.
 
How do you know its size nobody has seen it in 3500 years.LOL

Same way we "know" everything else about it - from the statements of believers. That's how faith works.

Although if it was a brown dwarf that would place a lower limit on mass and 5 times the mass of Jupiter would fit.
 
super fast, could be coming in and out of our "phase" thats another theory.

I dont mean to sound rude or anything but I hope you know I was taking the **** with the phasing thing. Much along the lines of when Magik posts some UFO tripe up. Tinfoil hats, it must be a UFO its on a tilt etc.


It can't be travelling that fast or else it would escape from orbit and go whizzing off into deep space. In reality, to hit or pass close by on 21/12/2012, it would have to be practically next door by now. It isn't. So it isn't going to get here by then. Not that it exists anyway.

Thing is we know this, it just that to certain people on here its quite clearly not good enough as we don't have any astro-physics degrees so even basic things are well above us. I may be completely making this up but are Nasa not already aware of objects that could have a potential threat to us many many years into the future. Im fairly confident that if it was there we would have known about it quite some time ago. Then again can we trust them? Afterall they did fake the moon landings :D
 
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