No, they really don't.
Nintendo NX: Your hardware prediction / what you would like to see?
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No, they really don't.
A lot of optimism there. Unlikely that Nintendo will use HBM, too pricey and too new. Though it would be nice to see consoles finally getting with the times, I think just a more powerful GPU would do. Plus I'm not sure how or if HBM can be used as system RAM. Good old DDR ought to do, the Fury GPU isn't completely wrecking it's competition now is it? While I do like having a stack of disc boxes, I can see the advantages of carts. One current advantage is that save files are on the carts themselves, you can take your game over to a friend and play on your save. Though that's an issue if you want to start a new game and the game only has a single save. The WiiU already has 4 USB ports, 2 are at the front next to the SD slot. I think you meant USB 3.0
+1 To all that. While I've always been one to say that graphics don't matter in games, for a lot of other people they do. Good power is needed to garner interest. Plus it's releasing years after the XB1/PS4. To make the NX weaker would be madness, suicidal even. Make good use of those die shrink CPUs/GPUs. Pascal is looking to double current performance (hopefully), so let's hope consoles get in on the action too. When it comes to multi-format, people will go to the system the games run best on (usually PC) which in terms of current consoles is the PS4. If there was a game that released on just XB1/PS4, people with a choice would go PS4 since it usually runs better and looks nicer. First party games are also petering down, the WiiU has got jack-all launching in the near future while the other consoles have got AAAs out the wazoo. Again, third party support would be easier with a more powerful console, devs don't want to make a weaker version of a game on a system where the title won't sell. Oh and **** Nintendo for being stingy *******s with pricing. Metroid Prime 3 (8YO Wii game) brand new sells for as much as a new WiiU game on their official site.
There's your reason as to how the WiiU has survived. IMO multi-platform releases are pointless on console if they release on PC too. I'll just buy the superior (and usually cheaper) PC version. I facepalmed when my friend bought his PS4 for Fifa (when it did launch with a few decent exclusives), despite buying the MGS5 LE myself (more for the console than the game, which I have on PC anyway).
If the NX is just going to be another XB/PS type system, then the only way it can stand apart are those first party titles and sheer grunt. PS4 sells a bit more than XB1 due to slightly better performance, despite both having mainly the same games. Nintendo must continue their focus with first-party on NX, it's the only reason I own a WiiU.
Heck the only reason I buy consoles at all are for the exclusives. Whereas PS4/XB1 are doing great with third-party and multi-plat, the WiiU is stronger in terms of first party but that isn't enough. There are very few 'hardcore' games on WiiU, the only ones I can think of are Bayonetta and Monster Hunter. Nintendo still hasn't shaken off that vibe that it's a 'kiddy console'. Even though folks of all ages enjoy their games.
Enough of the ranting. I would expect that the NX comes in around a similar price to the PS4/XB1 at around £300. And if Nintendo have any sense then it will at least be as powerful as a PS4 if not better. Cartridges are likely. It could mean single purchases for games also on their next handheld. 1080p is a given, I doubt they'll go 1440p or 4k, not enough power for such a budget. Consoles need to be consistent at 1080p60 first. It's likely that it'll be compatible with the WiiU Gamepad, at least for backwards compatibility. It could have a disc drive too to accommodate WiiU games for that too. It would be nice if Wii games still worked, but that's unlikely. Wii accessories like the controllers may still work (esp since some WiiU games use them). Would be nice if the Gamecube adaptor works on it, then maybe the NX could have GameCube Virtual Console.
Looking at the history of consoles and where we are right now, I don't think there is place for three different manufactures on the market.
The Dreamcast faltered heavily during that generation and the Gamecube failed to get the sales of the PS2 and Xbox; this I think marked the real turn around as we went into the next generation where the trend for cross-platform games came to bare.
The Wii was an exception because it offered something entirely new, something which was so popular and clever that it convinced non-gamers and all kinds of people to purchase one. Where it struggled is that everyone had one in their front room and then after the initial charm, nobody used them anymore. Any serious gamer also had one of the other consoles too.
Nintendo failed to recapture that market with the Wii-U. The marketing and name of the console was poor, but ultimately people had bought a Wii in the millions, had it sat in their front room and didn't need to buy a new console when they barely used that one. The Wii-U has now lost developer support and the games aren't even stocked in many places that PS4 and XBOX One are.
Personally, I think that while Nintendo could enter the market with a more traditional console that is more powerful than PS4 and Xbox One, I don't think they are going to take a significant market share against their rivals.
Nintendo's only realistic option is to be innovative again with something that becomes a must have. I believe that is likely where they are going, given the President of the company said the NX would be a totally new concept. You would have to speculate that this is probably VR technology, but then both Sony and Microsoft are developing that too.
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I think they should forget a new console and concentrate on the games, which is what Nintendo do best. Surely Nintendo can understand that they could sell more games and reach a much wider audience if they produced/released games for the PS4 and Xbox One (maybe even a PC port)
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Just wanted some thoughts on what you guys think of this video(personally I think it is spot on):
Top 10 NX feature requests
Basically, with the guy who started the Wii "revolution" sadly passing by, maybe Nintendo can look at becoming more "normal", like having a similar controller to a ps4 or xbox one but more powerful hardware, so they can get all cross platform games again, and create amazing(technically) in house games, a new Metroid would be nice!
Would love to see Nintendo in the mainstream gaming battle, like the snes days for example, where it had a clear advantage technically to the PC Engine and the Megadrive but just had basically the same controllers.
I like the "Virtual Reality" possibility!
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Top 10 NX feature requests
Basically, with the guy who started the Wii "revolution" sadly passing by, maybe Nintendo can look at becoming more "normal", like having a similar controller to a ps4 or xbox one but more powerful hardware, so they can get all cross platform games again, and create amazing(technically) in house games, a new Metroid would be nice!
Would love to see Nintendo in the mainstream gaming battle, like the snes days for example, where it had a clear advantage technically to the PC Engine and the Megadrive but just had basically the same controllers.
I like the "Virtual Reality" possibility!
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Normal pad, High specs, F-Zero and Metroid on release, Nintendo to invent more exclusive brilliant titles(like eternal darkness was at the time on the Gamecube), normal Blu-ray player. More to follow... the video I posted covers quite a bit.
EDIT: No micro-transactions, better online suite.
EDIT: No micro-transactions, better online suite.
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I say 16GB RAM, why not, it's cheap as chips and would be amazing if it had 4GB dedicated VRAM.
1TB HDD(Everytime I buy a PS4 the first thing I do is put a 1TB drive in it. Or USB 3 external drive support actually akin to the XBOX One.
They could knockout the PS4 and Xbox One if they wanted, chips much cheaper now.
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and the ability to play digital versions of older games as per the WiiU
and the ability to play digital versions of older games as per the WiiU
And any purchases that i have made to transfer over to the new system seamlessly!
Screw buying all these old games yet again for another 2 platforms. If i own the Zelda or super mario bros i should be able to play it on handheld and home consoles without having to rebuy, AGAIN!
Maybe either something very unique again, but this time with a more beefy system for god sakes... At the very least on the level of PS4 which is now been around for 2 years.
Whatever they do, they need to get 3rd party developers on board, as Nintendo do not release enough games. They have so many cool IPs yet they keep a small team and do not expand to develop these cool games. Hell they could even bring out new IP's if they just expanded their own team
Whatever they do, they need to get 3rd party developers on board, as Nintendo do not release enough games. They have so many cool IPs yet they keep a small team and do not expand to develop these cool games. Hell they could even bring out new IP's if they just expanded their own team
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This happens and you will continue to get half baked ports. Why do people want something 'unique'? I think virtual reality and more power than a PS4 and XB1 combined with every other thing 'standard' would please gamers the most. Another dusty wii you pull out at Christmas for the 'family' is just ******** to me. you're either a gamer or not.
Nintendo should focus their attention once again to gamers, let the Wii and Wii U be a lesson learnt in how to alienate most 3rd party developers.
I haven't played a Nintendo system since the Gamecube lol. I used to love them back in the day but the only thing that could tempt me to buy the NX is if its at least on par with the ps4 in terms of power and considering the ps4 has been out for 2 years now I hope that's a given but with Nintendo you never know.
I'm sure it will be unique as there systems always are.
I'm sure it will be unique as there systems always are.
I can't get excited for this console, the Wii U is by far the worst console I have ever owned and I've owned pretty much every console. If they don't have 3rd party support the console is going to fail, they can't live off one mario kart every generation. They need to release a console with a proper controller not the ridiculous thing the Wii U had, make it powerful enough to compete with the Xbone and PS4 yet keep some of the Nintendo charm it once had.
Nintendo have the chance to set the standard for 4K / UHD. Pair a R9 Nano with an AMD CPU (or bundle them in an APU) and ~8 GB RAM (maybe 16 GB if unified) and you're set. That sounds expensive, but Nintendo should be able to negotiate a deep discount - indeed I would not be surprised if Nintendo were not the intended market for the Nano. Bundle with a few killer launch games in time for Christmas and watch the consoles and 4K displays fly off the shelves.
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Same wavelength as me, forgot to mention 4K before, which would make it 'unique' in a good way, a very good way like game changer way. Developers would just need to increase the resolution for ports to the NX.
Nintendo have not always been unique. NES,SNES, when off the rails a bit with the N64, which I think was the worse generation of gaming, Gamecube was not unique, it is more powerful than a PS2 and not as powerful as the original xbox. Gamecube is one of my favourite consoles of all time, I have a huge NTSC USA collection, it has a great 480P picture with the official component lead. Got the Panasonic Q version, nicest console I've got.
EDIT: Gamecube did have a small disk, which was a cute touch.
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I agree with all of their points except VR. Considering the recommended specs for Oculus Rift on PC, I don't think current gen console will be able to do VR justice. Nintendo would need to have specs that crush the PS4/SB1 if they are even considering VR a possibility. And region-lock is a good point too, especially as how Nintendo have a lot of region-exclusive releases now. On the 3DS, the homebrew can be used to bypass it, but there's nothing of the sort on WiiU. Granted, there haven't been any region exclusive WiiU titles I've been interested in.
I've always been upset about this. The most they've done is give a mere temporary discount for folks who've bought the game already. They need to make these purchases account bound, join the 21st century Nintendo.
And yes, being unique is not necessary. What's important is to offer something different and you don't need gimmicks for that. All you need are games that stand out, and Nintendo has a bunch of exclusive franchises. They just need to actually make games for those (hasn't been a new Metroid/F-Zero in years) and add new franchises, like the newly introduced Splatoon. Don't try and compete with PC like PS4/XB1 are doing, people like me will just buy the PC version of multiplatform releases. But then 3rd party is still important for some folks, at least give a superior/unique experience for those games to the other consoles, especially if this one is releasing a few years after them.
It might be too late for Nintendo to win back the core gamer. Not enough people care about Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc any more - at least not compared today's big hitters. They've squandered these ips tbh and, while I'll always have a soft spot for Nintendo, they haven't been on form for a long time and cater primarily for the casual party market. And also why bother spending millions producing games of the quality fans demand when people will lap up little plastic figures of characters that used to be in great games?! :/
Getting back on topic - a powerful handheld that could be quickly docked to your TV and had an equal focus on local and online multiplayer would be attractive to me. I want to be able to play Monster Hunter out and about, get in from work and play with my mates online on my TV, then pop round to their house and continue playing with them and other ppl online. Basically bring back couch gaming and extend it online on one piece of portable kit.
Getting back on topic - a powerful handheld that could be quickly docked to your TV and had an equal focus on local and online multiplayer would be attractive to me. I want to be able to play Monster Hunter out and about, get in from work and play with my mates online on my TV, then pop round to their house and continue playing with them and other ppl online. Basically bring back couch gaming and extend it online on one piece of portable kit.
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Yep, agreed.