No Optical Drives - it's wrong!

Sure you would.

But you have to ace the fact you are now in a minority compared to other MacBook Pro owners and as such apple isn't going to compromise the design just for the minority

It doesn't really fit into the 'Pro' image they've created then does it? You'll probably admit that some of the most intensive computing tasks are image retouching, motion graphics, animation, modelling, film editing, music production... All of which at some point require ethernet, optical media, USB slots on the left AND right etc etc. I don't think one would require a 'Pro' spec laptop for spreadsheets and powerpoint presentations... My point being most of the current users of the Macbook Pro don't need a laptop as they were specced in eg 2008 (optical, firewire 800, 400, usb, expansion slot, dvi)... I work in the film industry and it's better for taking to different clients than my 2010 one. The uptake of the Pro model by casual users has ultimately dumbed down the product (in my opinion). Likewise with OSX but that's another argument.
 
What does the pro stand for then? Have they not just created a bigger MBA?

To have to carry an external superdrive and additional cables around is imo is a loss of functionality over form/cost reduction by Apple. So gone are Ethernet/Firewire ports and superdrive and in are two Thunderbolt connections and a better screen. Are these features that a pro user would likely need or benefit from?

Yes there is an argument the use of DVD/CD's is on the decline, however, the people who no longer use them, I would suggest are mainline users taking advantage of itunes and the like, not pro users. Dropping the superdrive no doubt saved Apple money which I think is a big factor.

If all you from want from a laptop is to use itunes and browse the web etc, then the MBA is perfect. The Pro should be for those that need more, and more so often means the need for more compatibility.

Jack
 
What does the pro stand for then? Have they not just created a bigger MBA?

To have to carry an external superdrive and additional cables around is imo is a loss of functionality over form/cost reduction by Apple. So gone are Ethernet/Firewire ports and superdrive and in are two Thunderbolt connections and a better screen. Are these features that a pro user would likely need or benefit from?

Yes there is an argument the use of DVD/CD's is on the decline, however, the people who no longer use them, I would suggest are mainline users taking advantage of itunes and the like, not pro users. Dropping the superdrive no doubt saved Apple money which I think is a big factor.

If all you from want from a laptop is to use itunes and browse the web etc, then the MBA is perfect. The Pro should be for those that need more, and more so often means the need for more compatibility.

Jack

I have a macbook air and I am a programmer so I don't think you will find that its just for fannying about on the net. What is it that all the people on here are using their dvd drives for that is so mission critical. Get the macbook pro with a superdrive if its that important. There are so few people that actually need a dvd drive these days that it doesn't make sense keeping it in for the 0.1% that actually require one.
 
I have a macbook air and I am a programmer so I don't think you will find that its just for fannying about on the net. What is it that all the people on here are using their dvd drives for that is so mission critical. Get the macbook pro with a superdrive if its that important. There are so few people that actually need a dvd drive these days that it doesn't make sense keeping it in for the 0.1% that actually require one.

Sending video to client usually. USB drives are a pain because of formatting and video codecs. Wetransfer and yousendit take too long to send big files with slow upload speeds. We often make DVD showreels and present work on DVD because everyone has a DVD player... Except our Pro laptops... Very Pro that is...
 
Your argument seems to be that the MacBook Pro needs to have a DVD drive because you have crap internet and clients don't always have good enough computers to play an H.264 file.

Neither of those are reasons to keep an old format around. A secure file area where you can give different people different levels of access, see a log of who's watched what, and revoke access is much more secure than putting a disc in the post. Also, you can still use DVD drives with Macs that don't have one.

The MacBook Pro's still exist with optical drives and ethernet ports, nobody has removed the optical drives from the MacBook Pro. The Retina display models don't have these legacy devices, but they never did. Nothing's been taken away. Yes you can probably read it as a sign of things to come, but essentially you're whinging that Apple haven't created your dream product, not that they've crippled an existing one.
 
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Your argument seems to be that the MacBook Pro needs to have a DVD drive because you have crap internet and clients don't always have good enough computers to play an H.264 file.

Neither of those are reasons to keep an old format around. A secure file area where you can give different people different levels of access, see a log of who's watched what, and revoke access is much more secure than putting a disc in the post. Also, you can still use DVD drives with Macs that don't have one.

Its not really anything like how you've just painted it.

In my industry, companies have great internet connections at their facilities, however security trumps anything else. With many Studios, Aspera transfer is deemed the only secure internet transfer allowed, because it is deemed highly secure by the US Department of Defence. That's fine when you have a client/business that you already have a connection setup and tested with, but not the case when dealing with a small business or need to get something to somebody quick.

If its small, then it can be burnt to a Disc and sent out the door straight away. However, it doesn't go in the post, it will be carried by a Runner or go on a courier bike if going further out.

Yes, you can use thumb drives and portable hard drives, but these aren't something that companies have hundreds of. Once sent out you have to wait for them to be returned. So if its small, a DVD makes far more sense because you don't need to wait for it to be returned.

As I said in my previous post, its not about whether a client's computer is good enough to play a h.264 file as you made out above, its about compatibility. If somebody senior like a Director or Producer wants a copy of some footage, then the best method is always a DVD. It can be played on just about anything, whether a laptop, a DVD player in a hotel room, a conference suite etc.

Sure chances are a file with a common codec will playback, but who wants to be the person who gives somebody important a file which doesn't playback because they don't have the codec etc?


The MacBook Pro's still exist with optical drives and ethernet ports, nobody has removed the optical drives from the MacBook Pro. The Retina display models don't have these legacy devices, but they never did. Nothing's been taken away. Yes you can probably read it as a sign of things to come, but essentially you're whinging that Apple haven't created your dream product, not that they've crippled an existing one.

All I've said over and over again now is why not also create a MacBook Pro that has retina display and all the ports, I don't care how big it is (its still going to be smaller than my old PowerBook G4). I would imagine most people who could even make use of a Retina display are likely to be business/creative users, as opposed to those who just use their machines for iTunes/Word Processing/E-Mail/Videos.

Yes, DVD drives and Ethernet are becoming less necessary for the home user, and potentially anyone who just uses their laptop for a bit of word processing and e-mail. However, I fail to see how some people in this thread can't see that ethernet more than anything, and DVD drives to a fair degree are what many in business still use, thus they are what you would expect on a 'Pro' machine.
 
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I have a macbook air and I am a programmer so I don't think you will find that its just for fannying about on the net. What is it that all the people on here are using their dvd drives for that is so mission critical. Get the macbook pro with a superdrive if its that important. There are so few people that actually need a dvd drive these days that it doesn't make sense keeping it in for the 0.1% that actually require one.

I think you missed the point I was making about the MBA or maybe you chose to, so to fit your argument.

Whilst it would be nice to change my 3 year old MBP, the loss of connectivity on the newer ones makes it pointless.

Jack
 
All I've said over and over again now is why not also create a MacBook Pro that has retina display and all the ports, I don't care how big it is (its still going to be smaller than my old PowerBook G4). I would imagine most people who could even make use of a Retina display are likely to be business/creative users, as opposed to those who just use their machines for iTunes/Word Processing/E-Mail/Videos.

I'm sure Apple probably will. You'll likely just have to wait for it.
 
I think you missed the point I was making about the MBA or maybe you chose to, so to fit your argument.

Whilst it would be nice to change my 3 year old MBP, the loss of connectivity on the newer ones makes it pointless.

Jack

I still don't understand it.... You are just working from the point of view that your needs are more relevant than mine. Buy one of the non retina ones and you will still have it all. You basically want apple to pander to your whims over that of the majority.

There are people that still really want fire wire, should that stick around until no one wants it any more.

You have plenty of options still, you just want your cake and to eat it too.
 
I still don't understand it.... You are just working from the point of view that your needs are more relevant than mine. Buy one of the non retina ones and you will still have it all. You basically want apple to pander to your whims over that of the majority.

No one wants to see the current Retina MBP removed from sale but the classic MBP should be offered with a Retina display option so that those who want the connections and optical drive can also have the Retina display. It's not an unreasonable request.

It would be nice to think so but I think it's highly unlikely.

For starters, what would they call it? MacBook Pro Pro? MacBook Classic with Retina Display?

I agree it is unlikely but I think the best name would be "The new MBP with Retina & Ethernet"! :p
 
No one wants to see the current Retina MBP removed from sale but the classic MBP should be offered with a Retina display option so that those who want the connections and optical drive can also have the Retina display. It's not an unreasonable request.



I agree it is unlikely but I think the best name would be "The new MBP with Retina & Ethernet"! :p

So you want:

13" MBP with dvd drive in old form factor
13" MBP without dvd drive in new form factor
13" rMBP with dvd drive in old form factor
13" rMBP without dvd drive in new form factor

15" MBP with dvd drive in old form factor
15" MBP without dvd drive in new form factor
15" rMBP with dvd drive in old form factor
15" rMBP without dvd drive in new form factor

There will always be something that you would like in a mbp and something that you don't. You pick the best model to suit what you do. There will be plenty of people that would love a 15" non retina version of the new form factor for the portability and reduction in price, should apple cater to them too.

People have used the non retina MBP's for years without issue so why is it so important to have the rMBP along with out of date technology in it.

Its starting to get into the android debate territory. Ask people what they want in a laptop and their minds run wild naming things that will be useful for themselves 1% of the time but at the expense of features that 99% of people would prefer.
 
Actually it's anti-optical drive/ethernet crowd that are saying they're quite happy with their cake, and that everybody should eat it.

No, they are saying that they want the retina display with all the trapping on the old mbp. Get one of the older ones. What are all the people who really want a rMBP with all the connections and dvd drive actually using their laptops for?

I am genuinely interested because I can't come up with more than a couple of professions. Why would a company cater to a tiny tiny percentage of its market at the expense of the massive majority.

I know 5 or 6 people with rMBP and they were all sold on the display but equally the lower weight, lower noise and slim design. I know that for some people they would rather have the extra weight etc for the sake of a dvd drive but most people would rather sacrifice the dvd.
 
No, they are saying that they want the retina display with all the trapping on the old mbp. Get one of the older ones. What are all the people who really want a rMBP with all the connections and dvd drive actually using their laptops for?

I am genuinely interested because I can't come up with more than a couple of professions. Why would a company cater to a tiny tiny percentage of its market at the expense of the massive majority.

I know 5 or 6 people with rMBP and they were all sold on the display but equally the lower weight, lower noise and slim design. I know that for some people they would rather have the extra weight etc for the sake of a dvd drive but most people would rather sacrifice the dvd.

What do your 5 or 6 rmbp do for a living out of interest. Do they use them for work?
 
So you want:

Waffle...

No, I'm simply asking for the current 13/15 inch models that already have the superdrive, ethernet etc. to include an option for retina screen. Currently there is an option to upgrade the screen to hi-res which means 1680-by-1050, I'm asking for another option which is retina. It is a simple request and doesn't muddle anything.

There will always be something that you would like in a mbp and something that you don't. You pick the best model to suit what you do. There will be plenty of people that would love a 15" non retina version of the new form factor for the portability and reduction in price, should apple cater to them too.

Yes - why not offer an option to downgrade the screen as well for those that don't need a retina screen but prefer the smaller form factor? Consumer choice is a good thing.

People have used the non retina MBP's for years without issue so why is it so important to have the rMBP along with out of date technology in it.

Why is it important not to exclude those who need ethernet - something that is not obsolete by any stretch of the imagination.

Its starting to get into the android debate territory. Ask people what they want in a laptop and their minds run wild naming things that will be useful for themselves 1% of the time but at the expense of features that 99% of people would prefer.

Do you have a source for that proves 99% people would prefer no optical drive/ethernet? If you don't then you should be more careful about what stats you make up.
 
No, I'm simply asking for the current 13/15 inch models that already have the superdrive, ethernet etc. to include an option for retina screen. Currently there is an option to upgrade the screen to hi-res which means 1680-by-1050, I'm asking for another option which is retina. It is a simple request and doesn't muddle anything.

Its not that simple. The whole new rMBP is built around the new display. The huge battery in the rMBP won't fit into the chassis of the old MBP.

Yes - why not offer an option to downgrade the screen as well for those that don't need a retina screen but prefer the smaller form factor? Consumer choice is a good thing.

Consumer choice is not something that you can offer when you design things to such fine margins as apple are with their current lineup of laptops. Do you feel the same way about the iPad. Should apple offer the iphone 4 in the standard resolution?

Why is it important not to exclude those who need ethernet - something that is not obsolete by any stretch of the imagination.

Because it is almost obsolete. Very few people need an ethernet port and if you do, get an adaptor.

Do you have a source for that proves 99% people would prefer no optical drive/ethernet? If you don't then you should be more careful about what stats you make up.

No, of course I don't but I meet a lot of people in the tech industry who would be considered power users, I also know a lot of people still at university and none of them care about ethernet or a DVD.

I understand that you would prefer to have a slightly fatter laptop with the retina display and all the trimmings but why would apple create a whole new layout for the sake of selling a few extra laptops.
 
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We don't care about Apple's margins, how many they would sell or whether it would make business sense to do so. All I'm hearing is the argument from Apple's point of view or that it's somehow 'good for the ecosystem', which is rubbish.

I don't see how meeting the needs of particular customer can at the same time be construed as a bad thing for all customers. We're not asking for this stuff to be foisted upon your purchase, but it's somehow acceptable to deny us of what we would like to see?

What do you care of they bring out a 'classic' style MacBook with retina display? You're clearly not going to buy one!
 
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