Noctua D15S vs AIO

PAULRYAN52

PAULRYAN52

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hi, what would you all recommend I go for with the following spec

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,792.59 (includes shipping: £14.70)​
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it's main use is gaming and general usage, occasionally f&h when not gaming
 
PAULRYAN52 said:
being disabled I can't maintain the custom loop, otherwise I would, so get arctic freezer II 360 instead of the d15s
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There's no such thing as long time worry free water pipecooling.
So if you want zero maintenance cooling get heatpipe cooler, which have nothing which could cause total loss of cooling.
Anyway Ryzen isn't such volcano as Intels and especially in gaming all 12 cores won't be loaded heavily.




There's zero sense in PCIe v4 NVMe unless you're raising cattle by feeding them banknotes.
$50 cheaper PCIe v3 NVMes do just as fine, because there's very little loading time difference between them and SATA SSDs.
And with space consumption of modern games extras are better spent on more capacity.

Already £150 cheaper X570 Aorus Elite has overkill VRM for any AM4 CPU.
Those higher marketing hype models even sabotage chipset cooling by restricting its fan to make sure it has to run more and wears faster.

At that price level I would be looking for 2x16GB memory.
2x8GB simply isn't any future proof for heaviest games and especially if you want to leave web browsers etc on background (what 12 core can afford easily) 16GB isn't much.

Also now is literally historically bad time to buy expensive graphics cards.
Just for measure of how bad rape&robbery Nvidia is doing that card is only 35-40% faster than full £1000 cheaper Radeon 5700 XT.
 
Thanks so make the following changes

1. Auros Elite
2. pcie v3 ssd
3. 32gb ram

I won't be buying until the next generation gpu and cpu are out, ocuk will be building it so get a 3 year warranty,
 
 
PAULRYAN52 said:
I won't be buying until the next generation gpu and cpu are out, ocuk will be building it so get a 3 year warranty,
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By then we likely have also new motherboards available.
Or possibly two series:
B550 chipset for "consumer" level with PCIe v4 for GPU and CPU connected M.2/PCIe v3 from chipset and X670 as another high end chipset.
Though X570 is still such I/O monster that it would do its job really well and wouldn't need successor until AM5 and DDR5.
(and with USB BIOS Flashback Gigabytes can be updated to latest BIOS without CPU)

Also graphics card situation will no doubt look entirely different.
I mean next Xbox comes with about 2080 Super level GPU using AMD's raytracing architecture.

But certainly good thing to keep eye on hardware and keep "template" ready to do order fast when products are released.
Though in things like SSDs availability and prices can vary fast making it best to have ready alternatives.
(WD Blue SN550 is at moment best priced per GB)

2x16GB kits are sub £200
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...dual-channel-kit-pvs432g320c6k-my-106-pa.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...zen-tuned-ddr4-memory-dual-kit-my-4cl-cs.html
With command interleaving of dual rank, 16GB 3200MHz would likely pretty much equal single rank 8GB 3600MHz in gaming.
 
Zen2 isn't as sensitive to having highest possible memory speed as Zen/Zen+ and returns start diminishing after 3200MHz.
And compared to that 3600MHz 2x8GB kit 2x16GB has command interleaving.

While two ranks (group of memory chips) in one channel can't transfer data simultaneously, other rank can be given command to process while one rank is preparing to for example deliver asked data.
That lowers overall latency and increases memory usage efficiency.
 
I'm no expert, and you'll get more reliable advice from others, but I agree with @EsaT - it seems crazy to spend half of a £3k budget on that GPU.
 
PAULRYAN52 said:
great so it's practically as good as the 8pack but double the capacity for £20 more
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There are synthetic benchmarks in which result depends purely on bus clock/latency and in "apples vs apples" comparison 3600MHz certainly wins.
But dual rank's command interleaving gives extra speed per clock speed over single rank in many real workloads.

This is using one or two of single rank DIMMs per channel instead of 8GB single rank vs 16GB dual rank DIMM, but situation is same:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SYZVDKhjk8poNr7qyW8rGf.png

Anyway if RAM starts running out in heavy use/multitasking, its speed becomes irrelevant and having enough of even clearly slower RAM beats having insufficient amount of faster RAM.
And 32GB of dual rank 3200MHz certainly beats 16GB of single rank 3600MHz in future proofness.
Though of course dual rank 3600MHz beats dual rank 3200MHz, but that's again pricing (and price development) question.
 
EsaT said:
There's no such thing as long time worry free water pipecooling.
So if you want zero maintenance cooling get heatpipe cooler, which have nothing which could cause total loss of cooling.
Anyway Ryzen isn't such volcano as Intels and especially in gaming all 12 cores won't be loaded heavily.
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Precisely correct. The D15s is more than enough to keep a 3900X cool. The fans on my D15s are limited around max 800rpm so pretty much silent at all times and then even under full sustained load the CPU barely touches 79c. During games it stays in the 60's.
 
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I made some changes to your build with what I'd do.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,520.88 (includes shipping: £0.00)


GamersNexus just released a video about the D15 vs AIOs. I am just watching it now.

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I've swapped gpu so it looks like the following

My basket at Overclockers UK:
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