Nokia to use Windows OS

Seems a great idea to me.
WP7 needs a market push
Nokia need an OS and something different
This board vastly overestimates the usefulness of full customisation on android (but hardly surprising due to what the forum is).

This way Nokia is the only one with a customizable w7p and can push updates through, unlike a lot of android phones and also has the size and money to push apps forward as well.
Nokia and MS biggest problem is lack of tablet OS and estimates are early 2012 release. Unless this is sorted it will put a lot of people off like myself who want the same platform and apps on both devices.
 
It may work it may not, unsure which way it would go, but after several nokias and now being with HTC, im 100% sure I wont ever get a Nokia again. TBH i think Nokia and WM have lost mindshare in the market, all you hear people talk about phones now is Iphone, android and Blackberry.
 
This board vastly overestimates the usefulness of full customisation on android (but hardly surprising due to whatrum is).

And this is why Android will never do THAT well. There is just far too much to it, its too complicated in depth and had hordes of features people will never use.

People just will not be prepared to learn and set it up properly, and in truth the trouble isn't worth it unless you get enjoyment out of doing it, this forum does, most people don't.

Microsoft have just redesigned the iPhone framework, it works and it works well. It just needs all the important apps backing it up along with a couple of features and Nokia can provide some cracking hardware to back it up.

An N8-esque phone running WP7 priced well under the iPhone? Yes please.
 
And this is why Android will never do THAT well. There is just far too much to it, its too complicated in depth and had hordes of features people will never use.

People just will not be prepared to learn and set it up properly, and in truth the trouble isn't worth it unless you get enjoyment out of doing it, this forum does, most people don't.

Microsoft have just redesigned the iPhone framework, it works and it works well. It just needs all the important apps backing it up along with a couple of features and Nokia can provide some cracking hardware to back it up.

An N8-esque phone running WP7 priced well under the iPhone? Yes please.

How do you mean "not that well" its market share grew 11% last quarter to 44% in the US, well above RIM and iOS? Plenty of non tech Savvy people I know love their droids as they find them easy to use, have apps, and is cheaper than Iphone4.
 
And this is why Android will never do THAT well.

I don;t agree with that, they will easily be the biggest market share and by some distance. They seem to have the defacto branding. People hate Apple/MS and also due to their hardware restrictions will always be expensive. Android isn't hated by most and will cover all price brands.
 
When I speak about Android, I mean in the top price bracket, of course it will batter Apple in lower price brackets.

All the non-tech savvy people I know think Android is hassle, that is because they are technologically stupid but people aren't going to be paying £400+ for something they dont know how to use properly. Some might, most wont.
 
When I speak about Android, I mean in the top price bracket, of course it will batter Apple in lower price brackets.

All the non-tech savvy people I know think Android is hassle, that is because they are technologically stupid but people aren't going to be paying £400+ for something they dont know how to use properly. Some might, most wont.

And that is essentially the market MS is aiming for at the moment, with Nokia now on board who knows? Then again there are rumurs that Apple are going to release a smaller/cheaper phone too (but then there has been for years).

I'm wondering, this full customisation option, is it an indication that Nokia are actually getting the use of the Windows CE version that WP7 is based on? Means they can customise the UI to their way yet still have a compatible system.
 
People hate Apple/MS and also due to their hardware restrictions will always be expensive. Android isn't hated by most and will cover all price brands.
I disagree. The vast majority of people don't give a doodah about if it's Apple/Microsoft/Google. It's only once you get onto forums like this where people want to spend more time fiddling with a phone than actually using it to make calls/email/text etc that you get the blind brand loyalty.

Android has done incredably well in a short time scale, not least because Google have bought market share by in effect giving it to manufacturers for free so unsurprisingly allowed for cometative pricing. The only credable opposition in the smartphone market has been the closed, expensive Apple option which, with all the will in the world is one, expensive (albeit it superbly put together and game changing) handset on a few select carriers. I know plenty of "average" users that have Android phones, not because they can roll their own ROM, or even know where the gabillion tweaks are even if they wanted to use them, but because it was cheaper than iPhone and provided most of the same features. Outside of the geeks it's often a compromise device for people that would have had an iPhone but don't want to spend £500 on a mobile phone.

The danger Android has is it's heading the same way Windows Mobile went. Increasing fragmentation of the underlying OS versions and hardware standards is making it increasingly difficult for new quality Apps to be developed. Whilst having 100 million apps makes a great headline, having a choice between 2000 fart apps is less interesting.

WP7 has introduced an alternative to the two incumbants, and despite what some of the people that will hate it becuase it's MS and not Android will say, it's actually an impressive OS that arguably moves things along for the vast majority of users. Given it's in effect V1.0 with 1.1 and 1.5 due over the next few months, coupled with the Nokia deal I think people underestimate just how well it could actually do.

I'm even tempted to compare WP7 (especially with the Nokia deal if it's done right) with the launch of Xbox which had the playstation/sony fans laughing they're heads off at the idea of MS producing a decent gaming system to compete against Sony or Sega.

Interestingly the WP7 market place is at 8000 apps and climbing at a rate that matched Apple and actually exceed Android on release.

Arguably the market has moved on and we're in a different place now, but as far as I'm concerned it's a good start, has promise and can only be good for the market bringing in greater choice.

One thing is clear. With the announcement of the Nokia deal it kills once and for all the rumours and wishfull thinking that WP7 is going to be dropped by MS and they will stop doing mobile devices. Piece together WP7/XBox/Nokia/ARM and system of a chip stuff talked about lately and i'm optimistic there's going to be increasingly interesting "stuff" coming.
 
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No-one's doubting that this is great for MS, or that Nokia will build great WP7 phones. I'm just doubting that Nokia needed to give up its position as a platform holder (from a position of market leadership, mind you!) and become a mere second-tier OEM, and, if it really really did, whether WP7 was the right horse to hitch its cart to, given that they're currently in last place and Android would've been better for several reasons.
 
Personally i think they should have gone the android route as it allows more scope for Nokia putting their own mark in terms of software and hardware or even gone for both as not to put all their in one basket. Going W7 route as well is more risky as W7 is not as wide spread as Android, and once they lay all these people off that they say they are going to do which will no doubt be from the software side of the business if they do decide to switch to android later on thier will be no one left to develope software.
 
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Personally Im gutted about this.
I have an N900 and was looking forward to upgrading to the N9 which will not happen now.
I feel I cant upgrade as whatever I move to will be a major drop in functionality to what I have now. I was a Windows CE WM5,5.5,6,6.5 boy until I gave up and bought the N900, so it was my first non MS phone and my first nokia.
Hardware quality is the best I have ever owned, and OS wise, Maemo is nothing short of amazing, I have desktop functionality on my phone and it works so well.
There isn't a phone out there now, or coming that can give me the same experience, let alone the multitasking, which 1yr on still blows me away with just how good it is..
I've tried Android, it's ok, but a very poor relation and still cant do a lot of what I use the N900 for. I can't comment on the iphone as I would cut of my **** before spending that much buying into a closed system
I think half the problem is that the N900 is a mini computer that can make phonecalls, whereas the rest are phones with some added functionality.
Im probably either going to buy the next meego phone or another N900 so I have a spare and can keep going..
 
And this is why Android will never do THAT well. There is just far too much to it, its too complicated in depth and had hordes of features people will never use.

What a load of twoddle. Android is already huge, and will overtake iOS as the most used OS very shortly according to industry predictions. As versions mature it will stay the top ranker accross pretty much all levels, whether high-end or low-end, due to the sheer number of top manufacturers who are going to use it at every price-point due to the vast range of hardware it can be configured with. As for "its got hordes of features people will never use"... well it's not that complicated really, certainly more user-friendly than Sumbian, which was (and still is) in use by millions and millions of people the world over.

Sorry, but your statement is silly any way you look at it.
 
What a load of twoddle. Android is already huge, and will overtake iOS as the most used OS very shortly according to industry predictions. As versions mature it will stay the top ranker accross pretty much all levels, whether high-end or low-end, due to the sheer number of top manufacturers who are going to use it at every price-point due to the vast range of hardware it can be configured with. As for "its got hordes of features people will never use"... well it's not that complicated really, certainly more user-friendly than Sumbian, which was (and still is) in use by millions and millions of people the world over.

Sorry, but your statement is silly any way you look at it.

Symbian is only in use due to the fact it was on Nokia phones, a brand people trust and as said on here several times most people know nothing about phone OS's. Nothing I have said applies to the bottom end of the phone market or is aimed at people who are clueless.

Perhaps I should have made that clearer :)
 
Symbian is only in use due to the fact it was on Nokia phones, a brand people trust and as said on here several times most people know nothing about phone OS's. Nothing I have said applies to the bottom end of the phone market or is aimed at people who are clueless.

Perhaps I should have made that clearer :)

Sorry im confused... so your: "Android will never amount to anything its too confusing and has hordes of features people will never use" statement was then to be applied to the high-end (thus generally more tech savvy) segment of the smartphone market where it has been selling very well?
 
I was talking mostly about the high end part of the phone market and I know it has been selling very well there. I think my original statement was badly worded as everyone seems to have missed my point entirely! :p
 
Personally Im gutted about this.
I have an N900 and was looking forward to upgrading to the N9 which will not happen now.
I feel I cant upgrade as whatever I move to will be a major drop in functionality to what I have now. I was a Windows CE WM5,5.5,6,6.5 boy until I gave up and bought the N900, so it was my first non MS phone and my first nokia.
Well at least you'll be able to put Meego on your N900, the community is working on a port.
 
^ I'm hopeful MeeGo could still fill that space. (A raw developer phone with Alien Dalvik for running Android apps etc)

WP7 with Nokia services/features will be perfect for the average person, these phones don't need to be 'high end' either (See the small/cheapish HP Veneer and it's 2nd gen snapdragon... which is faster than all current WP7 devices)

Will Windows/Nokia ever be as 'trendy' as Apple/Google?
 
I was talking mostly about the high end part of the phone market and I know it has been selling very well there. I think my original statement was badly worded as everyone seems to have missed my point entirely! :p

To be fair I think a point was lacking full stop. :p
 
Seems a great idea to me.
WP7 needs a market push
Nokia need an OS and something different
This board vastly overestimates the usefulness of full customisation on android (but hardly surprising due to what the forum is).

This way Nokia is the only one with a customizable w7p and can push updates through, unlike a lot of android phones and also has the size and money to push apps forward as well.
Nokia and MS biggest problem is lack of tablet OS and estimates are early 2012 release. Unless this is sorted it will put a lot of people off like myself who want the same platform and apps on both devices.

I don't think that the lack of a tablet OS is a big deal - tablets are overrated. Most people who picked up ipads have sold them on because after the initial few weeks they find that they just aren't using them that much. The form factor is too awkward for books or movie watching, and touchscreens are no good for productivity. Very few people really fit into the niche where a tablet makes sense .. which is basically people who spend so much time on their smartphones that having a bigger screen is worth the inconvenience of lugging a tablet around.

I think Nokia has probably made the right decision here, They were bleeding to death waiting for Meego. If anything can entice the iphone crowd (and their bulging pockets) it's a high end Nokia phone with WP7 style.
It is a gamble, but if the WP7 strategy doesn't pay off they can always go Android in the future.
 
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