Microsoft won't stick to a strict per-unit licensing model. They don't in the PC world, why would they in the mobile world?
I'd expect anyone selling tens of millions of Window Phone devices a quarter to get a very healthy discount.
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Microsoft won't stick to a strict per-unit licensing model. They don't in the PC world, why would they in the mobile world?
I'd expect anyone selling tens of millions of Window Phone devices a quarter to get a very healthy discount.
I sort of want to hold my hands over my eyes to avoid looking at what will happen. Writing off their investments in Qt and Meego took balls, I'll give the CEO that but I can't help but think they just wrote off a lot of what made Nokia, Nokia. Not 100% sure what's going to happen at the high volume/ low end too, the graph from friday seemed to indicate S40/S60 don't have a lot of life left but I can't honestly see them forking out for WP7 on devices that arn't designed to consume data just yet.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_some_of_our_features_are_missing/
Interesting Reg article with some valid points highlighted.
Interesting Reg article with some valid points highlighted.
Went in a CPW shop today as the missus phone has died in the first month, talking to the manager who basically said he wouldn't touch a Nokia with a bargepole any more as they are all obsolete. Wouldn't recommend one and said that anybody should now look to HTC or Samsung....
Didn't have time to push him a bit more, but if that's the feelings of the people entrusted with selling Nokia's products at this time they are in for one hell of a rough ride...
Didn't have time to push him a bit more, but if that's the feelings of the people entrusted with selling Nokia's products at this time they are in for one hell of a rough ride...
That's like taking advice from purple shirt guys on of components. What he says is kind of true for there high end phones, but means nothing for there future w7p, any good salemen will rethink with every new release, not get caught up with legacy stuff.
Its the feeling for Nokia products running on Symbian, and largely true at this point in time.
Agreed. In my experience sales peoples recommendation tends to be influenced by quotas and which manufacturer is offering bonus commission or other incentives that week rather than which is the "best" for the customer.
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There's an interview with Elop on Engadget for anyone interested:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/the-engadget-interview-nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-talks-microsoft/
Can't say the interviewer pushes him on any really difficult questions, but it was interesting in that it clarified a few things:
a. Nokia services like Ovi Maps will go on ANY WP7 handset, not just Nokia's.
b. Elop seemed to backtrack from the position of Meego being just "an experiment", and is now calling it the next step after WP7. So if I understand him correctly they'll keep doing R&D trying to come up with what they think will be the next "killer feature" for smartphones, and when they have it they'll integrate it into Meego, and then try to introduce that as their next smartphone platform. I suppose the implication of that is that Meego was so far off from being ready for market that there was no way it was a serious contender to replace S^3, which is why they went for an external solution - but given that we've seen Intel-powered tablets running Meego 1.1 very smoothly, and given that all the apps currently on the Ovi store could easily be ported to Qt, I find that very hard to believe, and wish the interviewer had pressured him a bit more on that point.
I also would've liked to see him ask about Qt specifically. He sort of hinted at it when he asks how will they convince S40 dumbphone users to stay with Nokia and a WP7 device when they decide to upgrade to a smartphone (implying that Qt being a common platform between Symbian and Meego that would've been an incentive for them to stay, as their purchased apps would be transferrable, but he didn't actually push the question and ask "have you got anything similar for WP7?") but Elop sidestepped it easily.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/the-engadget-interview-nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-talks-microsoft/
Can't say the interviewer pushes him on any really difficult questions, but it was interesting in that it clarified a few things:
a. Nokia services like Ovi Maps will go on ANY WP7 handset, not just Nokia's.
b. Elop seemed to backtrack from the position of Meego being just "an experiment", and is now calling it the next step after WP7. So if I understand him correctly they'll keep doing R&D trying to come up with what they think will be the next "killer feature" for smartphones, and when they have it they'll integrate it into Meego, and then try to introduce that as their next smartphone platform. I suppose the implication of that is that Meego was so far off from being ready for market that there was no way it was a serious contender to replace S^3, which is why they went for an external solution - but given that we've seen Intel-powered tablets running Meego 1.1 very smoothly, and given that all the apps currently on the Ovi store could easily be ported to Qt, I find that very hard to believe, and wish the interviewer had pressured him a bit more on that point.
I also would've liked to see him ask about Qt specifically. He sort of hinted at it when he asks how will they convince S40 dumbphone users to stay with Nokia and a WP7 device when they decide to upgrade to a smartphone (implying that Qt being a common platform between Symbian and Meego that would've been an incentive for them to stay, as their purchased apps would be transferrable, but he didn't actually push the question and ask "have you got anything similar for WP7?") but Elop sidestepped it easily.
Anyone see the drop in share price since the deal?- from €12 to €9 in the last week!
It is a strange deal though. One of Microsoft's largest shareholders becomes CEO of Nokia and suddenly it's in Nokia's best interest to put all it's eggs in WP7 basket?! Maybe time will prove will show that it's a good move but I have my doubts.
It is a strange deal though. One of Microsoft's largest shareholders becomes CEO of Nokia and suddenly it's in Nokia's best interest to put all it's eggs in WP7 basket?! Maybe time will prove will show that it's a good move but I have my doubts.
Yes, the share price went up 27% on the rumours and now down 25% after the deal was signed. Net result: not much change in Nokia's share price.
I for one, can't wait to see what phone Nokia will release.
I have tried the WP7 OS and i love it. I currently have an iPhone but when my contract is up in July i'm going to WP7 (Nokia hopefully).
Nokia have the hardware, MS have the software, it makes perfect sense.
I tried Android, and while i can see that for techy people it's the best phone in the world, but for people like me who just want to text/phone/email and play some games it's just not right.
Nokia + WP7 = MAXIMUM AWESOME!
I have tried the WP7 OS and i love it. I currently have an iPhone but when my contract is up in July i'm going to WP7 (Nokia hopefully).
Nokia have the hardware, MS have the software, it makes perfect sense.
I tried Android, and while i can see that for techy people it's the best phone in the world, but for people like me who just want to text/phone/email and play some games it's just not right.
Nokia + WP7 = MAXIMUM AWESOME!
Nokia's are unlikely to ever run WP7 I'm sorry to say. While the press has taken him to the cleaners over the last few days a few have spotted his careful wording (not listing the version, just windows). At best phone dev takes 7-9 months, I'd imagine the handsets might come out for the Christmas period. Releasing earlier would require them to launch in the summer in order to hit peak handset shifting times, I don't think they have the agility to do this personally but I guess we will see.
A perfectly acceptable point of view but symbian was a pretty good fit in this space (low/medium end handsets) which is why everyone's a bit confused. WF7 takes some serious horsepower to do - decent screen, processor etc... Nokia in the majority sell handsets that cost <£20-£50 to make. This is not a match to wf7. Obviously it can be done as time goes on and components get cheaper but they are losing the battle and the battleground they are on doesn't stand still, you can't be that choosy when your options are limited.
Yes, the share price went up 27% on the rumours and now down 25% after the deal was signed. Net result: not much change in Nokia's share price.
Only if the rumours started 3 months ago! Either way investors were clearly hoping that they went the Android route, or maybe both Windows and Android.
Elop has been CEO for four months. The rumours started when he joined.
Yes, the share price went up 27% on the rumours and now down 25% after the deal was signed. Net result: not much change in Nokia's share price.
That's an interesting spin, you don't happen to work for Nokia do you?
The fact that their stock price is basically back where it was just before they got rid of their last CEO and didn't have a future strategy people were buying into, after having announced a this deal with Microsoft doesn't suggest the stock market thinks it's a particularly fantastic idea. Right now at least, we'll see what happens once they get some hardware out, but from an investment point of view they look a little risky; they're killing off Symbian over the next 2 years which will probably hit the bottom line sooner rather than later (Osbourne effect), and investing heavily in a technology they don't own, with a partner who doesn't have a good rep for playing nicely, and is currently well off the pace compared to the market leaders (sure, I know it's fairly new and all).
You'd think, but in this instance it isn't. Nokias carry a larger profit margin than mid-to-high end HTC/Samsungs, if it were purely down to profits every one and their dog would be advised to get mid-end Nokias.
That's an interesting spin, you don't happen to work for Nokia do you?
I did for about 8 months in 2009. Then I came to my senses.
