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adamg64

adamg64

adamg64

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Good morning people,

Infrequent member here who only visits when in need of help sorry :(

Having computer issues/boot problems.

Got home from work yesterday with intensions of pre-loading battlefront finally got my code flicked computer on put the kettle on came back and the bios was there again auto restart.

As of yesterday evening my computer was getting past bios ready for windows to kick in and then restart, occasionally it got to the red windows screen and just as the desktop itself should kick in it died and restarted this went on for a good hour.

I though it was a windows problem (windows 8.1) inserted disk and tried to refresh and roll back to a previous date both of these resulted in a crash and reset.

I open it up check connections and jiggled stuff around managed to get it to boot on this occasion it got to the desktop and froze, gave it a restart and it loaded up as nothing was wrong used/played games for several hours no problems.

This morning usually routine , alarm clock - house coat - pc on - COFFEE

But non boot again this time totally different first bios screen fine, got to the second bios screen and it now just freezes multiple reboots pretty stumped now.

I open up the case tried bios reset countless times, Unplugged and plug back in, swap ram around and removed main boot hdd and still nothing. I still kinda suspect my gfx card but not 100% on that.

Can anybody advise me on something else to try? looks like my evening on Starwars is dwindling :(

Sorry for the huge post

spec

990FX SABERTOOTH
AMD 8320 - closed loop cooler
290X R9 ATI GFX - closed loop cooler
16GIG VENGEANCE
256SSD
3TB DRIVE
HIPER 880W TYPRER PSU
 
Cyanide said:
Tried a different PSU? Hiper's aren't known for their reliability :D
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I haven't that being said you may be shocked but think ive had this hiper in 3 different rigs and not had issues its at least 6years old maybe more :O

you think?

One thing I didn't note was that although the display fails to kick in the tower still seems to be running etc fine right noise and clicks etc

don't have access to much spares these days
 
Most Type R psus, including mine, all went the way of the dodo just after the guarantee expired (big thread on here). Fortunately, it did not take other components with it. ;)
 
I've still got a Hiper PSU running an old, old backup rig. Cyanide is right that they're not known for their reliability.

Stupid question, but I take it the system was unplugged from the wall when you reset the BIOS?

It could still be a GFX card issue. With 6 years or so of capacitor degredation though, it could well be that the PSU can't supply enough power on whichever rail the GFX card is connected to. That one has 768W spread over 4 12V rails. Review here: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=91

The problem with the AMD 990FX boards is that they don't have onboard graphics. I keep a cheap HD5450 just for testing on such systems when you get a blank screen/failure to POST/failure to boot.

Not so active now, but this is the thread UTmaniac is referring to:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17694486&highlight=Hiper
 
UTmaniac said:
Most Type R psus, including mine, all went the way of the dodo just after the guarantee expired (big thread on here). Fortunately, it did not take other components with it. ;)
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making me think it could be this, I might have to bite the bullet totally lost without my pc and csgo trader also so need it up and running asap.

thinking this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/antec-truepower-classic-750w-80-plus-gold-power-supply-ca-204-an.html

which I have found in stock elsewhere but think it might be ok?

anyway of testing it?

and returns policy on a psu incase its something else?
 
Borealis said:
I've still got a Hiper PSU running an old, old backup rig. Cyanide is right that they're not known for their reliability.

Stupid question, but I take it the system was unplugged from the wall when you reset the BIOS?

It could still be a GFX card issue. With 6 years or so of capacitor degredation though, it could well be that the PSU can't supply enough power on whichever rail the GFX card is connected to. That one has 768W spread over 4 12V rails. Review here: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=91

The problem with the AMD 990FX boards is that they don't have onboard graphics. I keep a cheap HD5450 just for testing on such systems when you get a blank screen/failure to POST/failure to boot.

Not so active now, but this is the thread UTmaniac is referring to:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17694486&highlight=Hiper
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try not to lol but I might be stupid here but would a nviida gtx 560 work on my board?
 
adamg64 said:
making me think it could be this, I might have to bite the bullet totally lost without my pc and csgo trader also so need it up and running asap.

thinking this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/antec-truepower-classic-750w-80-plus-gold-power-supply-ca-204-an.html

which I have found in stock elsewhere but think it might be ok?

anyway of testing it?

and returns policy on a psu incase its something else?
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The only way of testing it would be to put a known, working PSU in and see if it boots :(

This'd be a better choice at the same price -

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £88.49
(includes shipping: £10.50)
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A gtx 560 should work fine. If you've got one of those lying around, try it before buying a new PSU. Of course, if the PSUs knarcked, then you will still be none the wiser! Either way, a new PSU wouldn't be a bad idea.

If you're running a single card system, you don't need as much power as 750W.

Edit: Cyanide, you beat me to it. Was just looking for the link to that unit. Put one of those in my dad's PC and it's great.
 
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At the moment, any single card setup will run fine on 650W, even 550W is good enough if the PSU in question is a decent one. That EVGA unit is rock-solid and has a 7-year warranty. The 750W unit has 10-years.

Unless you're going to be using multiple graphics cards, you don't really need more than 650W.

Cyanide is right that you need a working PSU to rule out the possibility of the PSU being the issue. If it still doesn't work with a new PSU, then it's the graphics card. Likewise, you may find that with a new PSU everything springs to life as it should!
 
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Borealis said:
At the moment, any single card setup will run fine on 650W, even 550W is good enough if the PSU in question is a decent one. That EVGA unit is rock-solid and has a 7-year warranty. The 750W unit has 10-years.

Unless you're going to be using multiple graphics cards, you don't really need more than 650W.

Cyanide is right that you need a working PSU to rule out the possibility of the PSU being the issue. If it still doesn't work with a new PSU, then it's the graphics card. Likewise, you may find that with a new PSU everything springs to life as it should!
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I have no plans to run two cards in the future , I have located the evga in stock locally and slightly cheaper too and wont have to pay shipping, might bite the bullet and pick one up today. Not sure if its worth me paying the extra 20 quid and get its bigger brother the 750 just to cover my arse in future and 10year warranty.

but they also have the

750w Cooler Master GM Series G750M £68 5yr warranty

or

750W Corsair Builder Series CX750M at £75 3year warranty

dunno why got it in my head few years down the line 650w might not cut it but if you tell me otherwise you guys certainly no best
 
adamg64 said:
I have no plans to run two cards in the future , I have located the evga in stock locally and slightly cheaper too and wont have to pay shipping, might bite the bullet and pick one up today. Not sure if its worth me paying the extra 20 quid and get its bigger brother the 750 just to cover my arse in future and 10year warranty.

but they also have the

750w Cooler Master GM Series G750M £68 5yr warranty

or

750W Corsair Builder Series CX750M at £75 3year warranty

dunno why got it in my head few years down the line 650w might not cut it but if you tell me otherwise you guys certainly no best
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EVGA over Cooler Master & Corsair.

Each new generation of CPU & GPU brings more processing power and uses less wattage to achieve it. You can just about get away with a 6700k and 980Ti SLI on a 750w supply so 650 is more than enough for any single card
 
Well put Cyanide. Personally, I'd go with the EVGA G2 650W. If you really want a 750W PSU then the G2 750W. I have used both of those units and would highly recommend them.

I don't know much about the Cooler Master or Corsair units, but both of those are only Bronze efficiency rated. I have no idea what the internals/quality are like for the Cooler Master. I do know that the Corsair unit is made by CWT. I've never owned a Corsair PSU, so I can't comment on their quality/reliability either.

Either unit is still almost guaranteed to be better than the Hiper unit you've currently got.
 
Cyanide said:
EVGA over Cooler Master & Corsair.

Each new generation of CPU & GPU brings more processing power and uses less wattage to achieve it. You can just about get away with a 6700k and 980Ti SLI on a 750w supply so 650 is more than enough for any single card
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Well I think after reading links and comments here that the psu could be the route of my problem and plan to pick one up at lunch time, the fact I had it running fine eventually last night and gamed fine makes me think its not my gfx card.

Ive seemed to have similar problems in the past when I have swap and changed coolers and fans adding more could be route of it all.

Hipers history suggests this, think I will pick it up try and test it but not screw/fix it least then I can return it if need be.

But that being said I think a new one is over due and wouldn't be bad to replace it as its over due but just think of the £££
 
If it ran fine last night, then it's probably the PSU. Having re-read your OP, it does seem like a power issue. It's probably a very good idea to replace it before it fails. If it fails, it could take some of your hardware with it.
 
Borealis said:
If it ran fine last night, then it's probably the PSU. Having re-read your OP, it does seem like a power issue. It's probably a very good idea to replace it before it fails. If it fails, it could take some of your hardware with it.
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Running out the door as we speak haha, but in fairness ive had my fair share of hardware problems as we all have over the past 15years tinkering with my own systems think I might be just lucky but ive never had a psu fail so don't no the signs.

Can a faulty psu cause it to work some times and fail the next be intermitted?

I woulda just thought if its psu if its gone its gone
 
My dad's PC was sporadically failing to boot and that turned out to be the PSU only when it suddenly stopped working at all. That was a Seasonic unit, which goes to show that even the better brands do fail occaisionally

It's when PSUs suddenly let go (with or without a light show/smoke) that there can be trouble because they can take other hardware with them - particularly cheap units. Higher quality units have over-current protection circuitry that should kick in and prevent the PSU from frying the PC. In these cases, they just die quietly!
 
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