Nurishment

I merely gave my personal opinions on nurishment, and unfortunately on protein shakes as well, and people got offended and chose to start arguing with me, not my fault.

Other people have already expressed similar opinions to me, advocating egg sandwiches and dietary protein over these shakes, but people dont seem to care about that, they just dont like it if my opinion differs to theirs.
 
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Yeah it isn't very good at all but saying that i remembering having one of these after a dnb rave back in the day.. Im sure it saved my life after what was a heavy night.

Do not recommend unless in similar predicament. :p
 
You need to understand that karate is practiced with semi contact sparring, boxing with full contact. Then theres also lots of other arts like kick boxing, ju jitsu, muai thai etc etc.

I understand fully, I have plenty of unarmed fighting experience and qualifications and experience in several martial arts. And the quote you gave was not referring to boxing, but street fighting..however most boxers are already competent street fighters, those that are not are rarely successful boxers.

Semi Contact sparring is simply not the same as full contact boxing..it isn't even in the same ballpark.....there is a reason why MMA fighters are not simply single martial arts experts, because they get beat if they are, they train in various styles and techniques for a reason.


The issue is that Muhammed Ali is simply an outstanding and exceptional boxer, and one of the best boxers that have ever lived. Even a top karate expert is not going to be comparable to him because he is simply the best in his field.

I see, and Bruce Lee was simply an average martial artist?

Even if Mohammed Ali is the best marital artist in the world today, this is a reflection of his personal ability, not his fighting style or physical attributes alone. If you put a karate expert who has only ever trained in semi contact sparring against a professional boxer, the boxer will most likely win. However if karate practioneers were actually trained, and had the opportunity to hone their skills in full contact, boxers wouldnt stand a chance and in fact, people would potentially end up dead during sparring.

Well, everything is obviously down to the personal skill and ability of the individual as well as the variables of the fight itself......a poor boxer will have difficulty against a good martial artist...however all things being equal, boxing will generally trump karate, particularly if the karateka relies on kicks and fight is in close quarters (which the majority of street-fights are)

The bottom line is that there is a lot of nonsense spread about Karate and Taekwondo etc, mainly by the media and people who have little or no actual experience in unarmed combat/fighting techniques outside of the dojo, the truth is that a successful street-fighter is more adept at punching, taking a punch and wrestling with their opponents than Kicking and Style Technique, and this is more indicative in Boxing than Karate......

Of course the successful fighter learns to use techniques that work no matter where they come from. Just look at successful MMA and see the techniques they use, predominantly it is about ground fighting and the use of techniques inherent in boxing, wrestling, and the various hybrid styles like Kick-boxing, Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and Muai Thai which if you look at them have more in common with boxing than Karate or Taekwondo.

You are overcooking the effectiveness of pure martial arts such as Karate in street-fighting, boxing is far more applicable to the average smashup down the dog and duck.

Anyway, I doubt you will agree its not in your nature and as others would like the conversation to return to poorly spelled protein drinks that I can't seem find in our local stores, I'll let it lie.
 
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Bhavv... Do you have any idea how many calories you would take in, inorder to have your daily allowance of each vitamin and mineral? Add to that the amount of protein you'd have to take in inorder to keep up muscle mass while being active.

Whey protein + Supplements isnt only convenient, it helps with calorie control.

Theres a lot of crap been spouted throughout this thread. And I cant understand how Zefan has ended up on the recieving end
 
Actually I do, I've never been able to build muscle mass probably due to not having enough protein. But heres the thing - even if / while I was active, I had no interest in building muscle mass.

Vitamin and mineral supplements are useful, I occasionaly have multivitamins and iron pills, or cod liver oil, but like 1-2 tablets a week, not daily.

I see now that whey protein is very good stuff, but nurishment and other similar things to it really arent.

To me the term 'protein shake' suggests something that is more than just plain whey protein.
 
I've only ever had one once, and it tasted like something that needed to be diluted. Tasted too potent. Too sweet. I imagine it could be okay if you were to top it up with a pint of milk :D
 
I used to live on the stuff - particularly the banana-ish one. The can rims were nearly always corroded - god knows why.

Not liking Nurishment is as bad as what Hitler did.

There you go.
 
Dam what happened here :)

Cant see why anyone is actually paying attention to what an 8 stone nerd has to say about the benefits of whey protein and who wins between bruce lee and ali :)

Obvious troll is so obvious.
 
Castiel bought up the discussion about Ali vs Bruce lee, and several other posters started discussing the benefits of whey because I don't like protein drinks.
 
However if karate practioneers were actually trained, and had the opportunity to hone their skills in full contact, boxers wouldnt stand a chance and in fact, people would potentially end up dead during sparring.

That's a bit doubtful - just look at MMA - the most efficient striking techniques have come from a combination of boxing and muay thai. There is nothing to stop someone from competing using karate style punches and kicks but they don't tend to as they've been found to be much less effective in comparison.

Its not that anyone had any particular bias at the beginning, in the earlier days of MMA there were people from all sorts of backgrounds... certain techniques were found to be ineffective and certain styles dominated (particularly grappling styles). Start trying TKD style kicks and you'll be on the floor fairly swiftly... try some traditional karate stance nd throwing out straight punches against a boxer and you're asking for trouble.
 
Just saw a YouTube video of a Shaolin monk knocking out a boxer, that was very enlightening :D

Can't link it from my phone. Forget about karate, shaolin monks are pure win and I doubt they drink protein shakes.
 
Just saw a YouTube video of a Shaolin monk knocking out a boxer, that was very enlightening :D

Can't link it from my phone. Forget about karate, shaolin monks are pure win and I doubt they drink protein shakes.

You mean the Shaolin v a Thai boxer......both competing in a Thai boxing match using a similar thai style....:D

Or the fake Seal kick boxer, or the fake shaolin v UFC kickboxer.....and so on.

Lol bhavv.
 
So castiel do you think its 100% impossible for any karate / shaolin martial artist to beat an equally trained boxer in a fight?

How about a ju jitsu expert?
 
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It's the meal in a can that's so hardcore it doesn't even care that it can't spell its own name.

Can you Nurishment?

:D I've seen these plenty of times, but I always just got the impression that they were rank, so steered clear.

I used to force plenty of whey protein down my neck a few years ago, but all the ones I tried were minging too, and as I'm not a professional athlete I decided to sack them off.

Just to address every off-topic topic in this thread, I recently took up Muay Thai, and I get the impression that a well-delivered leg kick would be enough to put most people out of action :D
 
So castiel do you think its 100% impossible for any karate / shaolin martial artist to beat an equally trained boxer in a fight?

How about a ju jitsu expert?

I think any fight depends on the day and the variables involved, nothing is 100%, it is all about which is the more likely..there are no guarantees in a fight. Variables such as speed, weight, experience, whether they are trained in full contact/semi contact, defensive ability and so on. The easiest way to look at these things is if we make an assumption that each fighter is at an equal relative ability and standard in their respective disciplines, in which case the Boxer has the advantage in most scenarios...such as hand speed/power, the ability to close, the ability to take a full contact shot as opposed to the Karateka who unless he can find the space to utilise his kicking ability and is able to overcome the greater speed of the boxer and greater physicality then he is in trouble. The laws of physics and the general relative physicality of each means the Boxer has the advantage, no matter how fast the Karateka can kick, he will never match the speed with which a well trained boxer can punch and in most cases dodge.....There is also the issue with technique, Karate has a much larger range of techniques and styles that can be used, but many have innate flaws as they are not designed purely to inflict damage or defend against attack, they are also part of the aesthetic and mysticism that it shares with many of Asian fighting arts, boxing techniques are designed to as flawless and efficient as possible when it comes to accomplishing either the defensive or offensive objectives of the fighter...there is no need for aesthetics or mysticism...each move is orchestrated to do what it needs to do with the most efficiency and power. This difference is again advantageous to the Boxer.

Ju Jitsu (Brazilian) and other hybrid fighting styles such as Krav Maga, Muay Thai and so on are different becasue they incorporate boxing and kicking into a single style, most are hybids that have developed over time and have techniques imported from boxing, karate and various other sports/arts.

Karate is great as a sport, I really enjoyed it...but in an actual fight I would lean toward using more Boxing and Wrestling techniques than those learned in Karate...basically because they are more applicable and actually work far more effectively in that situation. The bottom line in a street fight is to put the other guy down so he stays down as soon and as hard as possible.....Karate is not the best fighting style for that.


However you began by comparing large heavily muscled fighters against smaller skinny fighters...I gave the comparison of the reputed best boxer v the reputed best martial artist to illustrate the general fallacy that pure martial arts such as Karate are a real world better fighting technique than boxing particularly in disparate weight brackets.
 
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But didn't you say something along the lines of lighter boxers being able to beat, or give heavier fighters a run for their money?

If weight / muscle mass is the factor being compared, wouldn't it be better to compare fighters within the same dicipline? Also what about a light karateka or a boxer vs a heavily built body builder with no martial arts training? While the bodybuilder may be able to lift more weight, he wouldn't have the skills required to match a lightweight boxer.

The factor being compared is muscle mass, and the assertion by me is that muscle mass is not a main factor in overall body strength / fitness, but rather training, agility and tendon strength. And the relevance to this thread being that protein shakes are not a requirement to attain strong physical fitness.

I honestly don't get why so many people are so easilly antagonised by this :rolleyes:. Some people even seem to actually believe that physical fitness is impossible to obtain without protein supplements.
 
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