Nurse arrested for murdering babies

If I'm told to write my feelings down, I'm pretty sure I won't state I'd been killing babies. Because you know, I don't kill babies.
Yeah, but if you're a nurse who's competence and worse is under scrutiny you might actually feel responsible for them dying - even though you weren't physically killing them. I'm not surprised that she would come across as mentally broken as she would have been under huge stress if she was innocent.
 
Yeah, but if you're a nurse who's competence and worse is under scrutiny you might actually feel responsible for them dying - even though you weren't physically killing them. I'm not surprised that she would come across as mentally broken as she would have been under huge stress if she was innocent.

That's you, me and Jokestar, I have known people who have admitted to stuff they most certainly haven't done.
One such bloke was called Howard who admitted he had touched kids like Michael Jackson had, just before I knocked him into next week I asked his best mate who said he had also killed JFK and Princess Diana.
Even if people admit guilt the Police have to gather evidence to prove they did it, they just don't take the persons word for it so those words on a piece of paper mean nothing.
 
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Yeah, but if you're a nurse who's competence and worse is under scrutiny you might actually feel responsible for them dying - even though you weren't physically killing them. I'm not surprised that she would come across as mentally broken as she would have been under huge stress if she was innocent.

Yes, that was her defence. It wasn't a slam dunk piece of evidence but it was relevant to her personal thoughts on the matter.

It should be noted there are 50 pages of police interview transcripts from Letby and she never mentions the notes as being part of therapy despite being asked specifically about that and given ample opportunity to do so. See the below video about her police interviews

 
Yes, that was her defence. It wasn't a slam dunk piece of evidence but it was relevant to her personal thoughts on the matter.

It should be noted there are 50 pages of police interview transcripts from Letby and she never mentions the notes as being part of therapy despite being asked specifically about that and given ample opportunity to do so. See the below video about her police interviews

 
Someone saying they did something is not reason to send someone to jail, they had no evidence she did it, only theories from a retired expert witness being paid by the prosecution from my understanding and circumstantial evidence. It sounds like a huge miscarriage of justice.
 
Latest appeal denied


I've heard and read a lot of the 'controversy' and it hasn't swung my opinion, I'm still satisfied that it's the right result, and that she's guilty AF.

It should just end here now.... More "appeals" from her legal team is just wasting everyones time.

She's already had another appeal thrown out against the other 14 convictions.

Unless there is a huge amount of new evidence then she should not be allowed to appeal again. Evidence being factual, clear wrongdoing. Not "experts" suggesting it "might" be this or that, or it could be "misconstrued"
 
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Either way the faith in our justice system seems to be at an al time low.
and the faith in the NHS seems to be the same.
oh and the police, and the government.

I guess the firefighters are still legit heroes

Feels like a kangaroo country, never mind kangaroo court.

does anyone honestly believe and have faith in the justice system not wrongly convicting people these days? there seems to be corruption at the core of the country spreading out like a plague and identity politics galore.

if she was black or asian she would have been treated with kid gloves and people would be marching on the street for her freedom
 
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It should just end here now.... More "appeals" from her legal team is just wasting everyones time.

She's already had another appeal thrown out against the other 14 convictions.

Unless there is a huge amount of new evidence then she should not be allowed to appeal again. Evidence being factual, clear wrongdoing. Not "experts" suggesting it "might" be this or that, or it could be "misconstrued"

The new evidence is looking like she at least attempted to kill other babies in her previous shift. Giving 1 a morphene overdose and countless breathing tubes coming loose on 50% of her shifts when typically they come lose on 5% of shifts. Probably not enough evidence for those
 
Either way the faith in our justice system seems to be at an al time low.
and the faith in the NHS seems to be the same.
oh and the police, and the government.

I guess the firefighters are still legit heroes

Feels like a kangaroo country, never mind kangaroo court.

does anyone honestly believe and have faith in the justice system not wrongly convicting people these days? there seems to be corruption at the core of the country spreading out like a plague and identity politics galore.

if she was black or asian she would have been treated with kid gloves and people would be marching on the street for her freedom

Why, what are the recent miscarriages of justice? If anything it's probably the most reliable at not sending innocent to jail in British history.

I can only think with some men that see Lucy Letby as reasonably attractive that some men feel the need to go into white knight protects damsel in distress mode. Thinking perhaps 'Someone that looks like this surely couldn't commit anything this evil'. Well the jury were absolutely sure she committed these murders and so am I after reading and listening to 100s of hours of evidence. Okay I know some will dispute that she's attractive but I mean within reason. Maybe some men simply look at her and could imagine her being their sister or daughter and feel protective in that way. Maybe some people just see conspiracies everywhere
 
Why, what are the recent miscarriages of justice? If anything it's probably the most reliable at not sending innocent to jail in British history.
A bunch of post office workers got wrongly convicted with many of them serving prison sentences ?
I can only think with some men that see Lucy Letby as reasonably attractive that some men feel the need to go into white knight protects damsel in distress mode
Shes below average surely? the 3-4 photos that keep going around in the media seem to be from her younger days when she was like fresh out of uni or something, and then she's what a 6?

The arrest video might as well be an entirely different person.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people with influence are trying to protect the NHS at all costs, and a retrial is the last thing they need right now.
 
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Someone saying they did something is not reason to send someone to jail, they had no evidence she did it, only theories from a retired expert witness being paid by the prosecution from my understanding and circumstantial evidence. It sounds like a huge miscarriage of justice.

She was convicted because of the overwhelming likelihood she did it. Death by a thousand cuts. Statisticians can pick apart their stats all they like but fundamentally, taken as a whole there is almost 0 chance she wasn't murdering babies.

Statistical evidence against her - She is either the unluckiest person ever ie. she turns up and babies start dying who should never die, she leaves and they stop dying, or she was killing them
Medical evidence - various pretty strong evidence that the babies were being murdered. Mostly missing direct proof she did it but someone did and she was the common factor. Some of the medical tests performed post mortem also very much pointed to things that cannot occur naturally no matter how unlucky the baby. There has been some questioning of this but we are talking the lab ****** up really badly... twice, months apart and they don't **** up often.
Her confessions - Self explanatory really

Have to say, at this point, the people who think she is innocent just come across as wanting to be on the other side of a moon shot. They want to think they know something other people don't. Want to think there is a conspiracy. There isn't. Shes guilty.
 
A bunch of post office workers got wrongly convicted with many of them serving prison sentences ?

Thats a completely different matter with essentially a private company sending them down after the management lied through their teeth and had special powers. LL is a standard trial.
 
A bunch of post office workers got wrongly convicted with many of them serving prison sentences ?

Shes below average surely? the 3-4 photos that keep going around in the media seem to be from her younger days when she was like fresh out of uni or something, and then she's what a 6?

The arrest video might as well be an entirely different person.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people with influence are trying to protect the NHS at all costs, and a retrial is the last thing they need right now.

Good point about the Post Office workers. That was pretty horrific. Although the PO managed to stitch them up. I can understand being suspicious the NHS may have tried something similar, if it was the higher management. But reading the transcripts from the doctors, you could tell they were caring highly ethical people, who were seeing things happen to babies that they had never seen before in all there years in the job. Namely the babies turning so many different colours and shades in agony after suffering from air embolisms. Something that only started happening the week after Lucy went on an air embolism course.
 
If I'm told to write my feelings down, I'm pretty sure I won't state I'd been killing babies. Because you know, I don't kill babies.
People who've lost a baby, let alone been in a position where they've seen a number die do often feel guilt and responsible because they can be entirely innocent but blame themselves for "not doing more" or "missing something".
It's led to a lot of very unsafe, and ultimately overturned convictions in regards to SIDS when police have taken a grieving parent and basically told them they must have done something and kept them in questioning for hours not long after the death.

IIRC there was a case that finally got fully overturned where they did it to a woman who'd lost two babies because "obviously you did something for it to happen twice" - it was years later that the woman was able to get a proper defence and her own proper experts who made the point that it was actually more likely to happen twice to one person and IIRC there was a gene that made it much more likely or something (basically it turned out any kids she and her hubby had were at higher risk).

It's not just babies, if you've ever been in a road accident where someone died you can end up wondering what you could have done differently and blaming yourself, even if you did nothing wrong and there was nothing else you could have done (even train drivers get it when someone throws themselves in front of a train doing 70mph*).
If anything it's more natural and normal to wonder if you could have done something differently, or if you'd done something that could have contributed to the death in some way - I've heard stories of medical students being told very early on that it's not a matter of if they kill someone, but when as no one is perfect and at some point they will miss something that may have saved a life, or someone will die as a direct result of their actions (interactions in medications, not previously known allergies, or someone dying in surgery etc).


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Note I am not saying she is innocent, but that it's extremely common for people who've been involved, even effectively as a bystander to wonder if they could have done something, anything to stop something from happening. IIRC it's why you have the term "survivors guilt", as people can feel guilt just from surviving when someone else didn't.

*Apparently if someone kills themselves in front of a train it's not at all uncommon for the driver to end up giving up the job, and in some cases commit suicide themselves due to the guilt because despite the fact they did nothing wrong, they were "in control" of the train at the time.
 
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Good point about the Post Office workers. That was pretty horrific. Although the PO managed to stitch them up. I can understand being suspicious the NHS may have tried something similar, if it was the higher management. But reading the transcripts from the doctors, you could tell they were caring highly ethical people, who were seeing things happen to babies that they had never seen before in all there years in the job. Namely the babies turning so many different colours and shades in agony after suffering from air embolisms. Something that only started happening the week after Lucy went on an air embolism course.
As post above yours states, these are private prosecutions that only some bodies can bring -post office being the culprit. The miscarriage of justice is due to evidence being presented at court for the integrity of their IT system. It turned out later that the flaws were known, but this line was still repeated. This is why those involved who knew could face jail terms for lying in court. I think the main person involved left to France and wouldn’t attend the inquest to hide from the investigation.

This is nothing to do with the courts, this was known false information being presented by RM.
 
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