Nurse arrested for murdering babies

Has anyone got an idiots guide to these changes? If true Labour aren't doing themselves any favours with their pandering to minorities

The guidelines don't, in fact, say this - they say a pre-sentence report is mandatory for cases involving minorities, not that sentencing should be different - and Labour didn't set the guidelines, the opposite in fact, they have written to the Sentencing Council to object.
 
Like I said at the start of the thread it will probably turn out to be a systemic problem and she was made a scapegoat, didn't they stop taking on critically ill babies at the exact same time they suspended her?

I've seen NHS incompetence first hand, a laryngectomy patient I know went into the hospital and when I went to visit one day they'd put an oxygen mask over their mouth.
 
The guidelines don't, in fact, say this - they say a pre-sentence report is mandatory for cases involving minorities, not that sentencing should be different ...

Why though, I wonder. Why not every convicted person. They may have been equally disadvantaged although from a majority fraction of society.
 
Some possible big failing going to be exposed?
I pointed it out during the trial, but assuming she is guilty she only managed to kill so many because the ward was operating half staffed, otherwise she would have been caught after one or two.

At some point somebody has made a financial decision that made all of this possible, and they are going to have to justify that.
 
Why though, I wonder. Why not every convicted person. They may have been equally disadvantaged although from a majority fraction of society.

The guidance is that a pre-sentencing report should normally be provided, they merely emphasise the importance for particular groups. There is more on their website, and it's this section of the guidelines causing the fuss.
 
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Is there any involvement of NHS England with this? Wasn't it hospital management and staff rather than NHS England?

Very probably unless NHSE was only the unnecessary layer of staff and not responsible for policy at all. I do remember medical staff were slapped down by management for notifying their concerns to said management and I would be further concerned if this was not escalated upwards for guidance.
 
I pointed it out during the trial, but assuming she is guilty she only managed to kill so many because the ward was operating half staffed, otherwise she would have been caught after one or two.

At some point somebody has made a financial decision that made all of this possible, and they are going to have to justify that.

There's that but there's also the management who had her initial accuser apologise to her and brought her back into service to kill more babies. Obviously massively negligent.
 
There's that but there's also the management who had her initial accuser apologise to her and brought her back into service to kill more babies. Obviously massively negligent.

and the original accuser should have gone to the Police if they were positive she was doing something and not back off because bosses told them to.
That person must have a really heavy guilt on them because they could have stopped it.
 
and the original accuser should have gone to the Police if they were positive she was doing something and not back off because bosses told them to.
That person must have a really heavy guilt on them because they could have stopped it.

Except whistleblowers do really well in their future job prospects don't they. Particularly in a highly beaurocratic, highly unionised workplace like the NHS, the police and local government..
 
and the original accuser should have gone to the Police if they were positive she was doing something and not back off because bosses told them to.
That person must have a really heavy guilt on them because they could have stopped it.

Yes they should have. Although there was probably some doubt in the accusers mind. They didn't have all the evidence at this stage. Imagine reporting it to the police and it turns out you were wrong.
 
Yes they should have. Although there was probably some doubt in the accusers mind. They didn't have all the evidence at this stage. Imagine reporting it to the police and it turns out you were wrong.

Imagine being that person who could have stopped it at 2 deaths and 2 incidents etc.
That's some guilt you have got to live with.
However I appreciate what you're saying.
 
I imagine it would be better than letting a nurse continue killing babies after you believed you witnessed an attempted murder.

Was that the person that reported it though? Or was it someone who noted she was there during deaths in suspicious circumstances? I've listened to most of the court transcripts but it becomes a blur after a while
 
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