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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

Halliphax said:
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7 milliseconds is 7% of 1 second in this context. In the video thumbnail, 50.97ms is half a second.

//Edit lol excuse me I just re-read your comment and now understand what you mean! Apologies.
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You're off by a factor of 10.
1ms = 1/1000
7ms = 7/1000
50ms = 50/1000 (5/100 = 5% not 50%) of a second

I don't quite understand what that graphs "PC Latency" is referring to - it can't be frame-time because 60Hz is 16.6667ms, 120Hz is 8.3333ms.
Also the presenter says that it's not frame-time latency, so that's not quite it...

If there's additional lag in the feel of the game, does it matter if the frames seem smoother if your actions are delayed compared to the frames?
 
I've only ever used fsr frame gen or Lossless Scaling frame gen on my 3090 so quite looking forward to seeing if the Nvidia solution is much better.
 
Vertigo said:
So, 4090 owners, what's your raw performance threshold uplift to warrant upgrading?

If the raw figures end up around 20-25% then it's going to be very hard to justify upgrading as that won't make any game a materially better experience.
Once you get to 30%+ it becomes a bit more questionable I think.

There's also the question of the relative scaling of RT versus basic raster performance. I guess it could be that RT improves more than basic raster does.

For the record I'm not interested in any kind of FG and would never, ever use it and only use DLSS when I have no choice.
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It’s not enough for me but I’ve already got kids waiting for my PC to be handed down so I’ll be getting a 5090FE regardless as I’ve a new PC to build.

Gaming at 4K any increase will be a bonus, my vote is still out on the fake frames crap, remains to be seen whether it’s up to scratch or not TBH. A boost to RT/PT is definitely most welcome though.
 
Wtf is that guy from HUB doing holding all the GPUs in the video… I always thought of him as the least annoying one but I’m surprised he didn’t get kicked out of CES :confused:
 
Can't find solid info if there is going to be any waterblocks for the 5090 founders edition, has anyone seen anything.

Would like an alphacool block but any decent one will do tbh.
 
The further Nvidia go with this AI driven graphics the more worrying its gonna get for AMD.

They aren’t just competing any more on a traditional hardware level but its all about the AI level software stack now.

We might get 20% hardware level each iteration but a doubling in performance from the AI software stack.
 
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Question. If you were in the market for a new card would you buy a 2nd hand 4080super or 5070ti? I'm not interested in FG beyond 2. I'm thinking 4080super would be cheaper/less guarantee, 5070ti will have the edge especially in RT, full guarantee, more expensive... what price would the 4080 have to be for you to bite?
 
opethdisciple said:

DF showed that latency was not drastically increased with MFG at 4x.

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And? it's not extra performance, has a latency hit and artifacts.
 
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Richdog said:
If you can't afford it, or you don't think it adds good value to your free time, I recommend not to buy it as maybe then you won't feel like a sucker.
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Yup, it's only a 30% approx increase from a 4090, at like 20fps Cyberpunk full path tracing no AI you're going from 20 to 26... hardly worth it imo
 
RavenXXX2 said:
And? it's not extra performance, has a latency hit and artifacts.
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What do you mean?

Nvidia released a new version of DLSS which has a new feature that does nothing other than increases latency and exhibits artifacts?

If you stop trolling and start listening to the early content that we do have you would have learnt that:

1. MFG introduces 7ms of latency, which DF said was a good deal for the amount of FPS you gained in exchange.
2. The artifacts will probably not be so noticeable by virtue of how high the frame rate is.

We will have to wait for independent reviews to come out first to see what the really deal is.

And as with anything these things improve overtime.

DLSS 4.5 will be an improvement again.
 
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BS Dave said:
Question. If you were in the market for a new card would you buy a 2nd hand 4080super or 5070ti? I'm not interested in FG beyond 2. I'm thinking 4080super would be cheaper/less guarantee, 5070ti will have the edge especially in RT, full guarantee, more expensive... what price would the 4080 have to be for you to bite?
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Get the 4090 if you can, there's gonna be people out there selling it for cheap once the 5090 comes out
 
Tempted by the 5080 but given that I have a 4070ti and game at 3440x1440, I've yet to play a game where it struggles.

I'll wait to see what AMD comes up with but most likely will stick with NVIDIA next upgrade.
 
Mike25 said:
I don't quite understand what that graphs "PC Latency" is referring to - it can't be frame-time because 60Hz is 16.6667ms, 120Hz is 8.3333ms.
Also the presenter says that it's not frame-time latency, so that's not quite it...

If there's additional lag in the feel of the game, does it matter if the frames seem smoother if your actions are delayed compared to the frames?
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yeah it's roughly the time from pressing a button to seeing the action on screen like a gun firing. The time between frames is fast but several frames go through before you see the action due to buffering and inserting the fake frames
 
opethdisciple said:
What do you mean?

Nvidia released a new version of DLSS which has a new feature that does nothing other than increases latency and exhibits artifacts?

If you stop trolling and start listening to the early content that we do have you would have learnt that:

1. MFG introduces 7ms of latency, which DF said was a good deal for the amount of FPS you gained in exchange.
2. The artifacts will probably not be so noticeable by virtue of how high the frame rate is.

We will have to wait for independent reviews to come out first to see what the really deal is.

And as with anything these things improve overtime.

DLSS 4.5 will be an improvement again.
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I think the main point is that if people are using any form of frame generation below for example 60 FPS then no matter whether it says 100 FPS or 1000 FPS the game is going to feel sluggish and not play well regardless. That is why rasterisation performance improvements are important and there doesnt seem to be that much of an improvement in pure raw horsepower on the 5000 series.

Also we haven't actually seen how much of an improvement DLSS 4 is on 4000 series and below cards, according to Nvidia there is going to be a boost in performance with that on these cards also.

But yes we do need to wait for benchmarks/ reviews.
 
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