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Nvidia 8900 Series

Robert said:
Why not just give him the damn link instead of being an arse.
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If he couldn't be bothered reading it and/or looking for it, then why should I? :confused:

I have no guarantee he'd be bothered reading it even if I did.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yes it will be 8 months old IN JUNE, it came out beginning of November, so you may as well make it 8 months as you would class the whole of November as a month without a reply seen as it came out at the start of it, so November, December, Jan, Feb, March, April, May, June, that makes 8, and if R600 does come out in June, then Nvidia will be saying it cant beat our 8 month old card, so where the hell do you get 4 from, that would mean the G80 came out in about Feb, it clearly didnt. :confused: :D
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According to all the reports I have seen G80 launched on 8 November 2006.

I really don't want to get into petty arguments but the G80 will therefore be eight months old on 8 July. That is not "IN JUNE"

The four months came from the fact that it is four months old today.

Your original post stated that Nvidia made the decision to skip the 8900 as they said R600 could not match their 8 month old card.

I see you are now saying that they will say that in June when the card is nearer eight months old.

Which one is it?

You seem confused!
 
Yeah, but if they say that now and R600 does come out in June and it does not beat G80 then it will be 7 months old as you say, not 8 as i said if 8th July would be 8 months as you say, so they could say it now as well, but that all depends on wether it does come out in June as rumoured as i said. :)
 
drunkenmaster said:
its Loadsamoney in every thread saying the same old tripe. the G81 is skipped, straight to G90, there is ONE article with no proof, no quotes, no anything at all to indicate its true whatsoever.

the G90, as the rumours go is exactly the bloomin same as the G81 but on a smaller process than the G80. that is all the G81 was going to be anyway, call it G81, G90, G14000, if its the same spec it does not matter what you will call it. the rumour goes that G81 was going to be 80nm, now its that the G90 will be 65nm and not to far away. even though TSMC has only just announced making 65nm edram, lower process's are far far easier to use on very very simple design couple million edram transistors and what, the G80 is over 700 million transistors and 100's of times more complex, theres no capacity or company in the world that seems capable of mass producing a 65nm high end gpu.

the only theoretical differences between G81/G90 would be process size, and therefore possibly clock speeds, and there was a guess then might fit a 512mbit bus in there, which would MATCH x2800xtx specs, not surpass or blow away, but MATCH.

fact is the 80nm process takes very little effort to impliment, 65nm is incredibly difficult, intel have a huge design team and it took them a couple years to go 90-65nm. amd are taking ages to go from 90-65nm, but nvidia, with a chip with more transistors will do it in just what, 6-10 months? bull, it probo will go 65nm for its next gen core, would be mad not to, but theres no facilities, and no time for them to make it anytime soon. the 80nm drop for very VERY little time and effort increases profits for them on their entire range. it makes no sense to keep making 90nm 8800 cards for the next 6 months while it doesn't have to.
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nVidia (and AMD/ATI) use IBM's fabbing plants, which are well drilled in 65nm

they just design the chip, IBM worry about the wafers. Intel had to get their own plants down to 65nm, thats a whole different ball game.

for top spec cards that kick out a lot of heat, you are better off on 80nm right now as it handles it better, hence its the lower range cards that are touted at 65nm as they produce less heat, eat less power
 
Junk said:
for top spec cards that kick out a lot of heat, you are better off on 80nm right now as it handles it better, hence its the lower range cards that are touted at 65nm as they produce less heat, eat less power
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it's not specifically the heat that they kick out, it's more the power consumption (although admittedly these increase in ratio). At higher energies, quantum effects - specifically tunneling - become more pronounced. This increases the chance of a particular electron 'jumping' to a location where it shouldn't be within the GPU. Obviously, this can lead to calculation errors (which you will see as instability, or in the case of graphics cards as visual artifacts). This tunneling effect is more pronounced on a smaller process (which makes sense since the distance an electron is required to 'jump' is smaller), and to get around this a higher-precision manufacturing process is required as the process size is shrunk.

The larger the processor / GPU (in terms of # of transistors) the larger the chance that some section of the silicon will have faults due to manufacturing, hence why GPUs are usually designed in a modular way such that an error in one part doesn't kill the rest of the GPU. Lower spec GPUs with 'disabled' pipes often will have manufacturing errors in part of the disabled region.

Anyway, 99% of people probably won't care "so long as it works", but sometimes it's good to relate the physics to the engineering processes to better understand the issues involved in making high-end silicon components.
 
I realllyyy love how tender people get over 2 companies that arent paying them anything.

While I do agree, Loadsa does go on about the 8800's it is because he is happy with them... and he is right, when the ATI cards are released, the 8800 will be 7 - 8 months old.
 
My own 8800 GTS I am very happy with. But then, if it was the ATI cards that were out now, and NV was like a fish out of water, then you can bet I would have gone with ATI.

Brand Loyalty for the loss TBH when it comes to PC's.
 
Dark_Angel said:
Brand Loyalty for the loss TBH when it comes to PC's.
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True, i was very happy with all my ATi cards i had, and i would get another as they are fantastic cards, i got a GTS just because ATi didn't/don't have any new cards out, and from an x1800 or x1900/x1950 series card there is nowhere to go with ATi at the moment as you can't upgrade, your stuck unless you go Nvidia, or you wait till they get their R600's out, but no one has a clue when that is at the minute. :)
 
Dark_Angel said:
I realllyyy love how tender people get over 2 companies that arent paying them anything.

While I do agree, Loadsa does go on about the 8800's it is because he is happy with them... and he is right, when the ATI cards are released, the 8800 will be 7 - 8 months old.
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He is nowhere near as bad as Easyrider, who basically told us the 8800 series was in fact the second coming, complete with processions, angels and a fanfair of trumpets.
 
BubbySoup said:
He is nowhere near as bad as Easyrider, who basically told us the 8800 series was in fact, the second coming complete with processions, angels and a fanfair of trumpets.
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Hmm.

link please?

Thanks


easy
 
BubbySoup said:
He is nowhere near as bad as Easyrider, who basically told us the 8800 series was in fact, the second coming complete with processions, angels and a fanfair of trumpets.
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Classic, thank god im not that over the top eh. :D

Still he enjoys his hardware, and we all get like that sometimes, its great when you get something new. :)
 
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BubbySoup said:
He is nowhere near as bad as Easyrider, who basically told us the 8800 series was in fact the second coming, complete with processions, angels and a fanfair of trumpets.
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Ever thought of going into the theatre? Very elaborate! In fact I think the high jump might suit you more - you seem to be good at going over the top!
 
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