NVIDIA & AMD Won't Like This: GPU Price Creep, Greed, and Generational Stagnation

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Is that the same AIBs that are selling directly to miners?, the same AIBs that were selling on Ebay? The same AIBs that are scalping?

Maybe the AIBs are not the most honest?

Nvidia sold directly miners too at launch:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-allegedly-sold-175-million-worth-ampere-geforce-rtx-30-gpus-to-miners/

For the quarter in review, Nvidia sold at least $175 million worth of new generation GPUs to ethereum miners, helping the outperformance, according to a note from RBC Capital Markets analyst Mitch Steves. The analyst had guided sales to miners to come in at $150 million for the quarter.

Steves noted that the upcoming network upgrade of the Ethereum blockchain, also known as Ethereum 2.0, which is scheduled to take place sometime in December, demands that miners switch over to more efficient mining hardware. Nvidia’s new Ampere GPU chips are thought to meet that need.

This was months before they made the mining GPUs,and barely two months after the RTX3080 launch. So that screwed over AIB partners too.

 

[danlightbulb]

Now do one for amd

I have one, but its lot more messy because of loads of overlapping product lines.

 

[Aretak]

Is that the same AIBs that are selling directly to miners?, the same AIBs that were selling on Ebay? The same AIBs that are scalping?

Maybe the AIBs are not the most honest?

As mentioned above, Nvidia have sold directly to miners too. And you're trying to use the actions of MSI, a company run by scumbags that do scumbag things, to smear every AIB partner. I know that some people MUST. DEFEND. NVIDIA and all, but the Nvidia MSRP and the viability of the FEs was being called out before the cards even launched, and long before the AIBs confirmed that it was a BS marketing tool.

So maybe Nvidia are not the most honest?

 

[oldestgregg]

Nothing new in this video, to those who paid attention to the price creep and naming BS, but at the end of the day, your dealing with a consumer mentality in the 'PC Gamer', who are seemingly willing & able to throw ever more money down the drain, just for the E-peen buzz.

I mean, how can their lives be complete unless they're getting 10fps more than anyone else, even if it does cost them £$1500+ for the privilege.

I kind of agree with what you are saying but at the same time you are putting the PC gamer "consumer mentality" down, whilst quite literally listing every branded PC gaming item you own, down to your branded chair, in your Bio? You are very much a part of that consumer mentality along with everyone else...me included.

 

[Wrinkly]

As mentioned above, Nvidia have sold directly to miners too. And you're trying to use the actions of MSI, a company run by scumbags that do scumbag things, to smear every AIB partner. I know that some people MUST. DEFEND. NVIDIA and all, but the Nvidia MSRP and the viability of the FEs was being called out before the cards even launched, and long before the AIBs confirmed that it was a BS marketing tool.

So maybe Nvidia are not the most honest?

Nvidia sold directly miners too at launch:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-allegedly-sold-175-million-worth-ampere-geforce-rtx-30-gpus-to-miners/

I wasn't defending Nvidia. I also have no issue with Nvidia selling directly to miners. They also develop GPUs for the professional/server market yet no one is claiming they need to slow or even stop that production and focus on GPUs for gaming.

I was responding to the idea of AIBs who claim there is not enough profit for them when dealing with Nvidia GPUs.

BTW. Nvidia have always been dodgy, especially when dealing with others.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Like I said for years on here,AMD and Nvidia have been mucking around with naming,tiers,etc to hide the worse and worse progression,and price/performance improvements are stagnating. The entry level and mainstream has been affected the most due to the realworld price inflation of each generation.

Its a stain on the industry for sure. I would prefer the recent past where a 'mid-range' GPU costing under £300 would be upgraded say in a three year cycle. Present day is 'mid-range' £700+ and if anything more people than ever want GPU's. Would love the live Steam hardware survey, surely people cant be gaming on onboard graphics...

 

[G J]

These companies doing this over the years and the willingness of a lot of PC users to keep handing them more and more money pushing pricing up while diehard nVidia and AMD fans defend this has done just as much if not more damage to pricing/stagnation and poor price to performance then the scalpers/miners/shortages going on the last 6-8 months.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

who cares they will still be bought, its a mad market, just think of the glut of cards there will be once the human malware and mining ends

 

[oguzsoso]

who cares they will still be bought, its a mad market, just think of the glut of cards there will be once the human malware and mining ends

yeah imagine buying a 770 only to be it getting obsolete in 2-3 years due to vram
then you buy a 970 and get 3.5 gb gimped vram
1070 is a proper good card, but mining stuff happened it was hard to get, i remember it was only widely available near the end of 2017
and by the 2018 you have 2070 which is a weird card that is capable of ray tracing but only with very low DLSS resolutions that makes the game look worse in regards of clarity
and then you have proper ray tracing with 3070 but this time you get gimped vram that will probably live the same fate as 770

780 was bad
980, eh
1080, very good
2080, meh
3080, good but gimped vram

and every time people keep upgrading, paying big money, while a casual gamer that spent 400 bucks ona ps4 in 2013 managed to play all the games the entire generationf barring the Cyberpunk and Control like anomalies, fine.(yes 30 fps is fine, as long as its stable. it's better than playing with low textures/low graphics with a 770/780)

Nvidia and AMD became aware of this, and they will keep hunting PC gamers

 

[BS Dave]

who cares they will still be bought, its a mad market, just think of the glut of cards there will be once the human malware and mining ends

Mmm, all those cooked GDDR6X chips just ripe to fail!!

 

[Calin Banc]

yeah imagine buying a 770 only to be it getting obsolete in 2-3 years due to vram
then you buy a 970 and get 3.5 gb gimped vram
1070 is a proper good card, but mining stuff happened it was hard to get, i remember it was only widely available near the end of 2017
and by the 2018 you have 2070 which is a weird card that is capable of ray tracing but only with very low DLSS resolutions that makes the game look worse in regards of clarity
and then you have proper ray tracing with 3070 but this time you get gimped vram that will probably live the same fate as 770

780 was bad
980, eh
1080, very good
2080, meh
3080, good but gimped vram

and every time people keep upgrading, paying big money, while a casual gamer that spent 400 bucks ona ps4 in 2013 managed to play all the games the entire generationf barring the Cyberpunk and Control like anomalies, fine.(yes 30 fps is fine, as long as its stable. it's better than playing with low textures/low graphics with a 770/780)

Nvidia and AMD became aware of this, and they will keep hunting PC gamers

If you're happy playing with the same settings/fps as the "casual gamer", then no need to make all those upgrades.

 

[oguzsoso]

If you're happy playing with the same settings/fps as the "casual gamer", then no need to make all those upgrades.

GTX 770 can barely run RDR 2 at everything lowest possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2nyTwTiN30&t=15s

If a user with limited budget were to choose a 770 instead of PS4, he would not be able to play the game with PS4 fidelity.

This is how a PS4 actually runs the game. Not everything lowest, respectable textures, respectable quality, and solid 30 frames. Not a thing a GTX 770 can provide. End of the discussion!

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34771016/

 

[Calin Banc]

GTX 770 can barely run RDR 2 at everything lowest possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2nyTwTiN30&t=15s

If a user with limited budget were to choose a 770 instead of PS4, he would not be able to play the game with PS4 fidelity.

This is how a PS4 actually runs the game. Not everything lowest, respectable textures, respectable quality, and solid 30 frames. Not a thing a GTX 770 can provide. End of the discussion!

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34771016/

Well, then make 2 upgrades. I've played with a R290 even on triple screens (Eyefinity) plenty of games. Don't buy gimped nvidia cards. End of discussion!

 

[oguzsoso]

Well, then make 2 upgrades. I've played with a R290 even on triple screens (Eyefinity) plenty of games. Don't buy gimped nvidia cards. End of discussion!

Well, I just gave Nvidia cards as an example. Who is to say same does not apply to AMD cards, lmao?

https://youtu.be/ddNPsg5IqdI?t=62

https://youtu.be/ddNPsg5IqdI?t=577

HD7870 msrp price: 412 dollars

hd7970 theoritical tflops = 2.6 tflops
ps4 theoritical tflops = 1.8 tfops

and somehow ps4 performs better

it has nothing to do with nvidia or amd. consoles will always get superior optimization.

you think 6700xt can hold disparity with ps5? a ps5 will decimate a 6700xt 3 years later. if there was no performace disparity, you simply wouldn't have to

btw i bought a "r7 265" supposedly "equiavelent gpu" to PS4.

it aged HORRIBLE compared to PS4.

talk about that then. explain! i would like to hear out. why I was getting 20-25 fps with lowest possible settings in AC Origins while PS4 was having no trouble locking to solid 30 fps at 1080p with good visuals?

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r7-265.c2558

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-gpu.c2085

 

[Calin Banc]

Well, I just gave Nvidia cards as an example. Who is to say same does not apply to AMD cards, lmao?

https://youtu.be/ddNPsg5IqdI?t=62

https://youtu.be/ddNPsg5IqdI?t=577

HD7870 msrp price: 412 dollars

hd7970 theoritical tflops = 2.6 tflops
ps4 theoritical tflops = 1.8 tfops

and somehow ps4 performs better

it has nothing to do with nvidia or amd. consoles will always get superior optimization.

you think 6700xt can hold disparity with ps5? a ps5 will decimate a 6700xt 3 years later. if there was no performace disparity, you simply wouldn't have to

It depends when you upgrade.

r290 was around $400 launched a bit before the ps 4, was waaay better.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-gpu.c2085
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-290.c2397

I went tnt2, gf4mx, hd3850, hd4850 (single and CF), HD4890, GTX470, R5850, R7950, R290, RTX2080...

Like I've said, depends when you upgrade, depends what cards you buy, etc.

 

[oguzsoso]

It depends when you upgrade.

r290 was around $400 launched a bit before the ps 4, was waaay better.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-gpu.c2085
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-290.c2397

I went tnt2, gf4mx, hd3850, hd4850 (single and CF), HD4890, GTX470, R5850, R7950, R290, RTX2080...

Like I've said, depends when you upgrade, depends what cards you buy, etc.

Okay, I'll admit that R9 290 aged finer compared to nvidia cards, but still, it gets 35-45 FPS in RDR 2 with similar settings to PS4. That's much respectable than PS4, I will agree. But performance degreation when porting to PC is still there, sadly. Otherwise, I would never had to upgrade my R7 265, if it were to hold disparity with PS4.

I'm sure it used to double what PS4 rendered back in the time, no?

 

[_Cereal_]

ps5 and xbox X are crazy good value right now lol

 

[gpuerrilla]

ps5 and xbox X are crazy good value right now lol

If you can get hold of one (and for RRP)!

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

If you can get hold of one (and for RRP)!

Considering the GPU market at the moment, i don't even think they need to be at RRP to be good value at the moment. They are probably easier to get as well.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Mmm, all those cooked GDDR6X chips just ripe to fail!!

on they upside they will warm your house up