NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[GAC]

True, same as now. Either way, the base target is moving up considerably so you'll want a proper increase as well for desktop not same old same old.

true, but id imagine a lot of that will be eaten up graphically wise with either slightly higher res textures or draw distance to stop pop in, how much difference that will make to pc ports probably wont be as much as you;d expect because we already get a lot of little extras to start with (on the better ports) be it higher textures or just draw distance as standard.

just hope devs dont get lazy and think they can half arse new games because of the extra power the new consoles have over the previous ones.

 

[Jacky60]

They will read comments like this and probably still increase prices irrespective of the impact of covid19!

Remember all the nerds saying how the new GPUs 4 years ago cost more to make,so prices HAD to rise - you might want to look at Nvidia gross and net margins over the last 4 years,even without mining sales. They would make Intel and Apple look enviously back at them,ie,any cost increases have been swamped by the price increases,which enthusiasts seem to think we NEED to pay.

If any of these companies want to increase prices,good for them(as I won't pay them unless they offer massive improvements and then I will keep the card longer),and if things are going to be that bad with covid19,people should probably hold onto their money for more important things IMHO!

Totally agree, a lot of people in Europe and the US's parents will die and they'll inherit. But there's going to be a recession or more of one in Europe as the costs of this crisis will be enormous. Countries almost completely shutting down for months and having to pay sick pay to people stuck indoors for weeks. Disposable incomes will plummet too in the short term so I can see GPU prices falling as consumers will have many other priorities and discretionary spending will be cut back.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

The 780ti>980ti>1080ti all gave us performance increases at the same price point.

Nvidia would like everyone to forget that and just pretend the 2080Ti is normal "progress".

The 20 series also gave performance increases at the same price point.

The 2070 has a performance increase at the same launch price point compared to the 1080, The 2080 was faster than the 1080Ti and launched at the same price. Each of these was not only about 10% performance boost but included RTX and a whole bunch of machine learning advances at the same pricepoint.

If you take the Super variants into account it's better again.

 

[Quartz]

Not sure what you are expecting when even a 2080Ti can dip below 50fps in some games at 4k, from what i see from benchmarks.

I got 28 fps in Quake 2 RTX at 4k.

 

[sideways14a]

40% increase when something is as expensive as a top Nvidia card is not very impressive.

 

[TNA]

The 20 series also gave performance increases at the same price point.

The 2070 has a performance increase at the same launch price point compared to the 1080, The 2080 was faster than the 1080Ti and launched at the same price. Each of these was not only about 10% performance boost but included RTX and a whole bunch of machine learning advances at the same pricepoint.

If you take the Super variants into account it's better again.

 

[Joxeon]

The 20 series also gave performance increases at the same price point.

The 2070 has a performance increase at the same launch price point compared to the 1080, The 2080 was faster than the 1080Ti and launched at the same price. Each of these was not only about 10% performance boost but included RTX and a whole bunch of machine learning advances at the same pricepoint.

If you take the Super variants into account it's better again.

The 1070 had the performance of the 980ti the 2070 didnt have the performance of the 1080ti and also had less vram. The 2070 should have had 2070 super performance at launch but instead nvidia dicided to shaft us as there was no competition.

 

[opethdisciple]

It's not huge at all. It's half decent and to be expected but nothing special. We used to get jumps of 70-100% every year and now we get around 30-40% every 2 years. Sometimes i wish i could forget the past so this would seem exciting. I think on the AMD side we are going to get a mega bump but only because they are so far behind but that's more exciting due to competition coming back.

This should equal more competitive prices.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

The 1070 had the performance of the 980ti the 2070 didnt have the performance of the 1080ti and also had less vram. The 2070 should have had 2070 super performance at launch but instead nvidia dicided to shaft us as there was no competition.

The claim was that there was no performance increase at the same price point.

This claim is wrong.

Sure, the step up isn't as big as previous generations, these are expensive cards etc etc. You may indeed feel nvidia ripped people off or underdelivered. I'm not disputing this.

But the claim that there was no performance increase at the same pricepoint is still factually incorrect.

 

[Joxeon]

The claim was that there was no performance increase at the same price point.

This claim is wrong.

Sure, the step up isn't as big as previous generations, these are expensive cards etc etc. You may indeed feel nvidia ripped people off or underdelivered. I'm not disputing this.
But the claim that there was no performance increase at the same pricepoint is still factually incorrect.

The rtx 2080 which at release was 699$ was hardly any performance increase over the gtx 1080ti which also released at 699$

Also when using the flagship RTX feature the cards performance would be far behind a gtx 1080ti

 

[Twinz]

The claim was that there was no performance increase at the same price point.

This claim is wrong.

Sure, the step up isn't as big as previous generations, these are expensive cards etc etc. You may indeed feel nvidia ripped people off or underdelivered. I'm not disputing this.

But the claim that there was no performance increase at the same pricepoint is still factually incorrect.

No actually:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...ack-review-overclocking-fps-temperature-noise
Conclusion: Is the RTX 2070 Worth It?
The trouble is that we’re looking at a 30% performance increase over the GTX 1070 for a 30% price increase. While this might sound like a fair trade on paper, the reality is that we already had this option. It’s functionally a re-release of the GTX 1080, except you can think of it as coming with RTX capabilities for “free.” The difference being, of course, that we simply can’t use those RTX functions just yet, and we can’t recommend buying a promise.

This is what they gave us. The benchmarks showed 30% more performance for 30% more money.

 

[Panos]

Some random twitter post by some anonymous throw away account makes news on Wccftech. Why is that even worthy of discussion anyone of us could do that?

Yep. WCCFTech up to 2 days ago had sticky the other article with the big 900mm2 Ampere. And before that was sticky the 7nm Ampere with 40% RTX only perf gain.

Seriously even the leakers cannot make their mind on basic things, thats hilarious seen all falling and believing this crap.
Nobody can agree if
a) it is 7nm EUV, 10nm or 12nm.
b) How big it is. If it is 900mm2 cannot be made in 7nm EUV or 10nm. Has to be 12nm.
c) Such big chip would have attrocious yields and be expensive, yet some expect a £450 3070 with the performance of the 2080Ti!!!! As bare minimum.
d) Direct shrink from RTX2080Ti cannot be done on 7nm EUV. Is too big without drastic design to reduce size (aka chopping). But rumour article 1 was saying that Tensor cores are incorporated within CUDA cores, and RT cores were separate. But that invalids the other rumour articles showing same distinct design as with Turing.

The funny thing is we know more about RDNA2 than Ampere, because we have the MS XBX updated specs and the PS5 rumoured specs from yesterday. (both consoles would be in par more or less). And both consoles seem destined to beat the crap out of the 2080S and even be in par to the 2080Ti.

 

[D.P.]

The rtx 2080 which at release was 699$ was hardly any performance increase over the gtx 1080ti which also released at 699$

Also when using the flagship RTX feature the cards performance would be far behind a gtx 1080ti

actually, when you use RTX the performance delta to the 1080ti increases massively if you are doing an apples to apples comparison. The 2080 running at 4k is slower than the 1080tirunning at 720p, but so what?

 

[GAC]

actually, when you use RTX the performance delta to the 1080ti increases massively if you are doing an apples to apples comparison. The 2080 running at 4k is slower than the 1080tirunning at 720p, but so what?

on 3 or 4 specific games

 

[D.P.]

on 3 or 4 specific games

very true, but that was obviously going to be the case. Every time there is a new DX the first gen GPUs won't see many games make use of it as it takes time to develop. Also the 1st gen never really has the power once the games to start flowing.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

It’s functionally a re-release of the GTX 1080, except you can think of it as coming with RTX capabilities for “free.” The difference being, of course, that we simply can’t use those RTX functions just yet, and we can’t recommend buying a promise.

This is what they gave us. The benchmarks showed 30% more performance for 30% more money.

Except that's not what the claim was either.

The claim was no performance increase at the same price point, the 2070 came out at the same price as a 1080, but was 5-10% faster, and had RTX as well. That's a performance boost at the same price point. Similarly the 2080 vs the 1080Ti, same launch price, small performance increase plus RTX.

(and better maching learning performance, which is important to some people)


I'm not trying to say nvidia are amazeballs and we should all fall down and worship them. I'm not saying a tiny perf increase and RTX is worth the upgrade, it's probably not. But the idea that there was no boost for the same money is wrong.

 

[GAC]

very true, but that was obviously going to be the case. Every time there is a new DX the first gen GPUs won't see many games make use of it as it takes time to develop. Also the 1st gen never really has the power once the games to start flowing.

wouldnt be surprised to see gen 2 rt cores double the performance over gen 1, shrinking their node and a improvement in overall ipc to boot. which would make ray tracing a lot more user friendly on lower cards, but again depends how many rt cores they pack on new cards, as iv said on this thread imagine a 3070 coming (should be 2080ti perf) but with better ray tracing, the thing is would nvidia do this or just match the 2080ti's performance totally and gimp the cards raytracing to just match the 2080ti's rather than allowing it to surpass it.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

The 20 series also gave performance increases at the same price point.

The 2070 has a performance increase at the same launch price point compared to the 1080, The 2080 was faster than the 1080Ti and launched at the same price. Each of these was not only about 10% performance boost but included RTX and a whole bunch of machine learning advances at the same pricepoint.

If you take the Super variants into account it's better again.

but that is terrible for a generation iteration, its turned out the 2070S was the only semi decent gain or simply less bad than the other options (depending on your PoV)

 

[Joxeon]

The 3070 might just have 2080 super performance if it's anything like 10 to 20 series jump with better raytracing although this would be opening the door for amd.

Dont forget though these cards would have been designed a couple of years back when AMD were nowhere to be seen so they might not have anticipated the gains AMD made with rdna so just planned for a slight perf bump and more profits.

 

[opethdisciple]

A whole process node reduction so I am expecting these to be more than just a small iteration.

Definitely more RT performance. i think that's a given considering AMD will have it and the consoles.