What average joe has a computer with a 3700x, RTX2080 and 1TB PCIE 4.0 NVME SSD sitting on their desk at home? It is technically better than the PC most average joes have.
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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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yeah that is a totally stupid statement, that would only hold water if you could buy the PS5 now the reality is the same SSD (and even faster ones) will be available on the PC in the near future its a Samsung part for goodness sake
From the steam survey the average gaming PC is
intel i5 4/6 core CPU
16gb ddr4 ram
sata ssd
Nvidia GTX1060 graphics card
system performance target: 1080p 60fps
meanwhile the ps5/xbox
AMD 8 core CPU
16gb GDDR6 ram
pcie4 NVMe SSD
AMD Navi 6700xt graphics card
System peformance target: 2160p 60fps
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I think you misread my comment it wasnt a comparison of spec its a fact they are marketing as a faster SSD that the PC hasnt got as though the PC doesnt have fast SSDs and its something entirely new! Blink and you will miss the comparison anyway SSDs are that fast these days. Couple months or so down the line the same SSD probably be available for the PC.
In any case the average console consumer has no idea what a 3700x is. Maybe I am dumbing it down but just as an example a lot of children have a console, they wont know or care what a 3700x is let a lone a SSD neither will there parents who have bought it for them they just want the latest console and games.
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New consoles will no doubt exceed the spec of mean average PCs for a good year or more, modern high-end PCs will always out class consoles because you have the option to buy more expensive hardware but its usually a lot more expensive.
Where consoles could kill PC gaming dead overnight is supporting PC games, software and peripherals on their hardware
Where consoles could kill PC gaming dead overnight is supporting PC games, software and peripherals on their hardware
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Wont kill PC gaming if consoles support PC Gaming, what might happen as it will kill thousands of businesses inc Microsoft, HP, Dell etc that deal in the hardware.
I`m not bothered whether PS5 or XBox Sux is more powerful I dont buy consoles and never will. Any case probably best to leave that for now its getting off topic.
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And that level of performance will be a mainstream new build next year.
yeah that's never going to happen because it takes money out of Sony/Microsoft hands
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With PCs at the moment, for the most part the only benefit of running faster storage for gaming is the load times.
Whereas the PS5 can leverage the nvme storage speed to improve the performance of the games. However that actually works. It can do that because the drive speed will be standard for all the machines.
The new XBox though, won't have as fast storage, and a lot of the games will be released on both platforms. So it's only going to be the odd game that's optimised for PS4 that'll run faster compared to a PC. And I can see such a game being exclusive to the PS4 anyway.
Whereas the PS5 can leverage the nvme storage speed to improve the performance of the games. However that actually works. It can do that because the drive speed will be standard for all the machines.
The new XBox though, won't have as fast storage, and a lot of the games will be released on both platforms. So it's only going to be the odd game that's optimised for PS4 that'll run faster compared to a PC. And I can see such a game being exclusive to the PS4 anyway.
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other than epeen all we really need is playable framerates tbh anything more is just benchmarking stuff
Lol. Seems he is active and posting. Wonder why he won't post in here?
I cut Panos a little slack. When he isn't posting Pro AMD/Anti Nvidia nonsense he does take the time to try and assist people with their CPU/GPU problems. He's pretty helpful in the gaming section too.
Indeed. There is always an overlap, but then usually within a year or two, the power of a PC starts to trounce the consoles and/or new tech comes out that makes them vastly better (ie this gen with SSD's).
I mean just think what we will have in a few years. Zen 4 (possibly making an average CPU 12 or 16 cores or something), Nvidia 4000 series, DDR5 ram, even faster new gen pcie 4.0 ssds etc etc.
The PS5 and XBOX X will no doubt be fast/competitive with a modern PC on release but give it a couple of years and they will be as slow as all boots (comparably).
I mean just think how weak the original xbox/PS is now. No wonder MS and Sony had to release the ONE X and pro versions.
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Indeed. If the Ampere rumors are true then the 3060 is probably going to be snapping at the heels of or matching a 2080.
Well that's not particularly impressive or anything new.
the xx60 of a new generation has traditionally always stepped into that performance segment.
It's how Nvidia always give just enough to tempt people into upgrading, with artificial caps on performance.
I know, hopefully it will be more impressive. I was just demonstrating (in reply to the post), why the high end build of today, will be the average build later this year (ie todays £600 card will be tomorrow's £300 card)
Well i hope so my aging 970 needs to be replaced.
But unless AMD comes out swinging i don't expect Nvidia to give us anything at a good price.
..and I've no doubt that the 3080 will be about 30% faster than the 2080Ti in traditional raster performance & maybe a bit more than that in RT.
Yeah i have misunderstood your first post. I think you might be reading too much into that comment because it doesn't come across that way to me.
Also i think that it is highly unlikely that such a clueless customer would stumble upon these articles, especially in 5-7 months time when these consoles will be released. (unless these articles are in "mainstream" publications)
Yeah. Though he did give me some CPU advice which was not exactly optimal. I would have left around 10% performance on the table if I had stuck with his advice. My CPU barely manages to boost to it’s stock 4.2GHz and keeps applying high volts causing temps to spike. After looking into it turns I have some good silicon that can run 4.4GHz at all times on all cores and at a much lower voltage. So now no temp spikes, runs cooler and quieter. Plus it uses up less electricity due to the undervault
Oh and the overclock means I get better memory latency to boot. Not that I need it at 4K, but it is nice
Now just need a RTX 3070 and I am set for a long time.
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Agreed. Hopefully the consoles will be but a stepping stone.