NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

humbug · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:18

five8five said:
Humbug, could you please add Big Navi cards to your "Chart of Doom".

I already have.... sorry i just think everything is over hyped right now.

Joxeon · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:22

Grim5 said:
The 3090 name is real, it was confirmed by Micron who supply the memory for the cards

It's probably so nvidia can add another price tier above the 3080ti.

smilertoo · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:26

Titan is the tier above ti.

Jacky60 · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:31

LoadsaMoney said:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce...pecs-leak-2100-mhz-gpu-19-gbps-gddr6x-memory/

Looking forward to having a chart like that with RDNA2 on too.

humbug · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:33

wccf..............

Illuminist · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:34

Jacky60 said:
Looking forward to having a chart like that with RDNA2 on too.

Id hazard a guess at just below the 3090

Jacky60 · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:37

benjii said:
Even if that graph is true, that is an incredibly low clock speed for the 1080 Ti baseline. In my experience, they generally operate around 1912 - 1960Mhz, perhaps 1870-1899Mhz if they're really cooking with a bad cooler and poor air flow.

That means that, should we believe that graph, the real world performance is wrong because the clock speed for the baseline is below normal operation.

Well spotted, I've had 4 1080TIs and all have always (apart from when it was 34C in my room ambient) Maintained over 1924 when gaming, lowest I've ever seen ever was 1898 (room 34-35C) including FE versions.

Jacky60 · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:40

Illuminist said:
Id hazard a guess at just below the 3080

I'm going midway between 3080 and 3090 hope hope.

humbug · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:44

Wccf guys, remember 980TI beating RX 480.

TNA · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:47

RanxZy said:
I reckon...

3060 = 2080
3070 = 2080Ti
3080 = 2080Ti +30%
3080TI = 2080TI +50%

I'll get back to you within a month to review who was closer

Pretty much my expectations. With a max variance of 10% either way.

Grim5 · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:48

humbug said:
Wccf guys, remember 980TI beating RX 480.

What?

D3K · 16 Aug 2020 at 21:56

Grim5 said:
What?

He said:

humbug said:
Wccf guys, remember 980TI beating RX 480.

I think he's missing a hyphen: 980ti-beating rx480

ljt · 16 Aug 2020 at 22:47

CuriousTomCat said:
Ampere only has to be 40% faster than the 1080Ti and that's a whole GPU generation of consumers who'll view it as a big upgrade. It would destroy the 980Ti so that's another generation who'll upgrade. Ampere doesn't need to be a huge improvement over the 2080 Ti to be a success because that's only a small part of the market. Nvidia cant loose even with a bad product when you look at it like that.

Which Ampere card only needs to be 40% faster than a 1080Ti? If you mean the 3080Ti (or whatever its called) then it needs to be priced the same as a 1080Ti, because it's been over 3 years since that card was released. If they released the 3080Ti at the same price as a 2080Ti then that would be a pathetic release, it would mean its about 10% faster than a 2080Ti.

Turing wouldn't have been so bad if they had kept the pricing structure of the 10 series. I could accept if the 2080Ti that was a measly 20/30% faster than a 1080Ti if they'd have priced it at $699-$799. Then it would have been just under "average" performance uplift between generations. However they decided to increase the price 40% along with a paltry 30% performance increase.

Normally it's been a 30-50% increase in performance for less than 10% price increase.

JediFragger · 16 Aug 2020 at 22:55

New graphics card releases always bring out the crazies...

Phixsator · 16 Aug 2020 at 22:56

ljt said:
Which Ampere card only needs to be 40% faster than a 1080Ti? If you mean the 3080Ti (or whatever its called) then it needs to be priced the same as a 1080Ti, because it's been over 3 years since that card was released. If they released the 3080Ti at the same price as a 2080Ti then that would be a pathetic release, it would mean its about 10% faster than a 2080Ti.

Turing wouldn't have been so bad if they had kept the pricing structure of the 10 series. I could accept if the 2080Ti that was a measly 20/30% faster than a 1080Ti if they'd have priced it at $699-$799. Then it would have been just under "average" performance uplift between generations. However they decided to increase the price 40% along with a paltry 30% performance increase.

Normally it's been a 30-50% increase in performance for less than 10% price increase.

Actually the 2080ti launched here in Denmark for around 10000 DKK which was about 4800 DKK more than what I had paid for my brand new 1080ti from retailer. So almost double up the price for 30%ish performance uplift and RTX features. Ummm.. yeah.

gpuerrilla · 16 Aug 2020 at 22:59

ljt said:
Turing wouldn't have been so bad if they had kept the pricing structure of the 10 series. I could accept if the 2080Ti that was a measly 20/30% faster than a 1080Ti if they'd have priced it at $699-$799. Then it would have been just under "average" performance uplift between generations. However they decided to increase the price 40% along with a paltry 30% performance increase.

Normally it's been a 30-50% increase in performance for less than 10% price increase.

Precisely. The numerous times this is presented, however worded, gets strange ripostes ranging from "its fair - let people pay it if they want to", to "ahh but its all needed for R&D and you know inflation".

The elephant in the room which they like to gloss over is its not normal to charge 40% more especially when the lower tiers are massaged up in price too for weak generational improvements. These are the same people who probably go ape **** when the price of petrol is raised by 5p.

Phixsator said:
Actually the 2080ti launched here in Denmark for around 10000 DKK which was about 4800 DKK more than what I had paid for my brand new 1080ti from retailer. So almost double up the price for 30%ish performance uplift and RTX features. Ummm.. yeah.

Yeah, another nail. Its a regular uplift with irregular pricing.

five8five · 16 Aug 2020 at 23:06

humbug said:
wccf..............

Wccf aren't too complimentary about your predictions

humbug said:
I already have.... sorry i just think everything is over hyped right now.

Can't see it?

You're entitled to your opinion. No problem with that

five8five · 16 Aug 2020 at 23:09

JediFragger said:
New graphics card releases always bring out the crazies...

Grim5 · 16 Aug 2020 at 23:26

ljt said:
Which Ampere card only needs to be 40% faster than a 1080Ti? If you mean the 3080Ti (or whatever its called) then it needs to be priced the same as a 1080Ti, because it's been over 3 years since that card was released. If they released the 3080Ti at the same price as a 2080Ti then that would be a pathetic release, it would mean its about 10% faster than a 2080Ti.

Turing wouldn't have been so bad if they had kept the pricing structure of the 10 series. I could accept if the 2080Ti that was a measly 20/30% faster than a 1080Ti if they'd have priced it at $699-$799. Then it would have been just under "average" performance uplift between generations. However they decided to increase the price 40% along with a paltry 30% performance increase.

Normally it's been a 30-50% increase in performance for less than 10% price increase.

There is no normal anymore, welcome to the new world

FoxEye · 16 Aug 2020 at 23:39

CuriousTomCat said:
Ampere only has to be 40% faster than the 1080Ti and that's a whole GPU generation of consumers who'll view it as a big upgrade. It would destroy the 980Ti so that's another generation who'll upgrade. Ampere doesn't need to be a huge improvement over the 2080 Ti to be a success because that's only a small part of the market. Nvidia cant loose even with a bad product when you look at it like that.

Means nothing without pricing.