NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Grim5]

Do you have a link to this?

They've also done a bunch of analysis in this video which supports the rumours and theories, even the 5700xt is starting to stretch its legs (particularly in Horizon Zero Dawn) with pcie4 and now the 5700xt is faster with a 3950x than a 10900k - this difference will only grow with big Navi and Ampere so yes Hardware Unboxed have moved to benchmarking with a 3950x

 

[labbby]

Another kick in the nuts for Intel if this is the case

 

[M1k3H]

LOL at the people that say if there priced to high i just buy a console...
PC gaming can't mean that much at all to them..

I have spend thousands on building my PC gaming rig setup, Monitor, Mice, Speakers, PC Chair etc and have thousands of pounds worth of PC games and there no way i could think ok i just buy a console if these new GPU's are highly priced

I've been gaming for the past 20 years. For the past 5 years, with a second hand card for the first time, as I couldn't justify prices. I just play older games at high settings. Buy the games for £5 off steam when on sale and play them on my cheap gpu. I'll continue doing that until gpus come down in price. What this does is it drives revenues down for gpu manufacturers and games companies as well. I can easily spent a few thousand on a top of the line PC but I chose not to. I spent £1,000 on my setup in sig and put myself a £1,400 budget when I started, so need to get something for £400 which will allow me to play ultra settings, over 60fps at 1440p. Otherwise, keep my 780ti, buy a console, and then a year later buy a used 2000 series nvidia for £200 to carry on playing older games.

 

[Phixsator]

I've been gaming for the past 20 years. For the past 5 years, with a second hand card for the first time, as I couldn't justify prices. I just play older games at high settings. Buy the games for £5 off steam when on sale and play them on my cheap gpu. I'll continue doing that until gpus come down in price. What this does is it drives revenues down for gpu manufacturers and games companies as well. I can easily spent a few thousand on a top of the line PC but I chose not to. I spent £1,000 on my setup in sig and put myself a £1,400 budget when I started, so need to get something for £400 which will allow me to play ultra settings, over 60fps at 1440p. Otherwise, keep my 780ti, buy a console, and then a year later buy a used 2000 series nvidia for £200 to carry on playing older games.

I feel the same. Used to spent a lot of money buying top tier hardware, that pretty much stopped shortly after Nvidia launched the second Titan. I'd rather spent 500 pounds on a proper gas grill for my future garden than on some third or fourth tier GPU. The grill will give me more pleasure throughout its lifetime than an overpriced GPU will. Age has a tendency to change your priorities

 

[ik9000]

I feel the same. I just want something very very quiet, that is good enough. I ordered a 2060 today incase 3000 series don't support win7 but probably end up sending it back regardless as 5700XT may be a better bet if pcie4 matters. It just depends how long wfh goes on as cuda cores etc can make a difference to non-gaming stuff like FEM and rendering. Anything shuold be an improvement on my current GTX460 mind, but this will be my last component for a long long time now so want to get best bang for my buck. I might start a thread on that thinking about it...

 

[Dirk Diggler]

PC gaming can't mean that much at all to them.

Correct, it doesn't mean that much to me.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Rumour mill time, this is coming from motherboard manufacturers.

Everyone who owns a PCIE4 AMD motherboard is going to be happy, Intel owners who do not are going to be sad face.

So apparently some of the new RTX3000 cards are able to saturate PCIE 3.0 x16. Now because Intel currently has no desktop CPU that supports pcie4, this means RTX3000 GPUs will run faster on AMD x570 systems and B550 systems.

Rocket Lake S from Intel was suppose to launch at the end of this year so Intel owners could get maximum benefit from RTx3000 but now they cannot - they will have to wait while AMD systems will have higher GPU performance

Surely only the 3080ti is going to be pushing that much data. How saturation of PCIE 3.0 does a 2080ti manage?

 

[BigBANGtheory]

LOL at the people that say if there priced to high i just buy a console...
PC gaming can't mean that much at all to them..

Well considering the rate at which people are being made unemployed atm its probably a lot smarter to have some cash reserves to last you a good 6months over a shiny new GPU that's stratospherically priced. New consoles are looking more attractive tbh and more sociable with the rest of family. Its all about priorities.... if you have money to burn good for you, you're all sorted then.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

LOL at the people that say if there priced to high i just buy a console...
PC gaming can't mean that much at all to them..

I have spend thousands on building my PC gaming rig setup, Monitor, Mice, Speakers, PC Chair etc and have thousands of pounds worth of PC games and there no way i could think ok i just buy a console if these new GPU's are highly priced

Is "pc gaming" suppose to mean something to us?
we've all spent money. I have a decent setup that will play all my current games so unless BF4 gets a remaster(or DICE remember how to make a good shooter) I feel no urge to blow money on my setup and would quite happily buy a PS5/xbox for more casual gaming instead.
so not really sure whats LOL about that

 

[kazuya1337]

Hardware Unboxed is fully buying into the PCIe4 rumours.

They have decided to retire their 10900k benchmarking PC. From now on all GPU benchmarks will be done on a 3950x PC so that the next gen GPU has full access to PCIE4 bandwidth and is not bottlenecked on the Intel PC

There's not a chance in a million years a 10900k will bottleneck a 3090

 

[chaparral]

Correct, it doesn't mean that much to me.

To admit the truth am not sure how much PC gaming means to me anymore
I keep upgrading my PC but afterwards i hardly use it to play any games

I don't enjoy gaming like i used to by a very long way,
plus am not sure how much this is to do with me being far older these days and how much it to do with there not being many interesting games these days.

 

[Grim5]

Another kick in the nuts for Intel if this is the case

It's not like Intel are caught blind here. Gamers Nexus reported that Nvidia has notified Intel a long time ago that it should have PCIe4 capable CPUs ready for Amperes launch. Intel have failed to heed that warning, what comes next is on Intel

 

[Grim5]

There's not a chance in a million years a 10900k will bottleneck a 3090

did you even watch the video? It's the motherboards pcie slow bandwidth that's the issue, Intel as usually is stuck in the past with old technology and life comes at you fast.

And if you did watch the video you'd know that the 10900k is already bottlenecking the 5700xt in some games because it doesn't support pcie4

 

[Vertigo]

If the 3080 is faster than my 1080ti for £700 I'll bite. I was right on the price increase lasts time, this time will be no different. And you'll all be disappointed. I only play sim racing games but do have VR, would like better performance in ACC.

Yes it will be faster, no it's not going to be £700.

This is obvious. All the performance rumours/leaks point to the 3080Ti being twice the speed of a 1080Ti. The 3080 is going to be far more than half the speed of the 3080Ti so significantly faster than a 1080Ti.

The rumours are also pointing at the 3080Ti being at least £1400 and again, the 3080 won't be half the price as it's far too big a gap.

 

[Rroff]

did you even watch the video? It's the motherboards pcie slow bandwidth that's the issue, Intel as usually is stuck in the past with old technology and life comes at you fast.

And if you did watch the video you'd know that the 10900k is already bottlenecking the 5700xt in some games because it doesn't support pcie4

Where does it say that? he says assumedly or something like that and doesn't actually test it and it is only like 1-2 fps - well within margin of error IMO though he claims it was consistent.

EDIT: Given the 2080ti on the same platform is still showing its legs I doubt it is a bus bandwidth limitation on the nVidia side at least even if AMD GPUs are somehow more reliant on it for whatever reason.

 

[kazuya1337]

did you even watch the video? It's the motherboards pcie slow bandwidth that's the issue, Intel as usually is stuck in the past with old technology and life comes at you fast.

And if you did watch the video you'd know that the 10900k is already bottlenecking the 5700xt in some games because it doesn't support pcie4

Yeah I watched it and the findings were pretty much irrelevant and very much game dependent

 

[Rroff]

I would hazard the HZD results are a quirk of the game before being PCI-e 4.0 bandwidth related unless more testing is done to prove otherwise - he seems to base it on extremely flimsy evidence.

 

[Phixsator]

There's not a chance in a million years a 10900k will bottleneck a 3090

It has nothing to do with the CPU's speed but with PCIe itself. It doesn't matter if you have the fastest super CPU in the world if the PCIe lanes are bottlenecking the entire system. Now keyword here is IF as we don't know yet if PCIe 4.0 will make any difference for ampere and RDNA 2 or if PCIe 3.0 16x is enough.

 

[Rroff]

It has nothing to do with the CPU's speed but with PCIe itself. It doesn't matter if you have the fastest super CPU in the world if the PCIe lanes are bottlenecking the entire system. Now keyword here is IF as we don't know yet if PCIe 4.0 will make any difference for ampere and RDNA 2 or if PCIe 3.0 16x is enough.

Yeah - the bulk of the bus utilisation is data uploading at load time, etc. in most games PCI-e bandwidth utilisation on the GPU is sitting at ~12% on my system (PCI-e 3.0) not even close to saturating it during game rendering.

EDIT: Playing Battlefield 4 it peaks at 6%, average 4%.

 

[kevman]

GPU is sitting at ~12% on my system (PCI-e 3.0) not even close to saturating it during game rendering.

How do you measure pci-e utilisation? Thanks