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XeNoNF50 said:
The Pascal example only works to that extent because the crazy pricing of Turing. That loss on the Turing card will be a lot higher after 4 years. The rest of your points are totally valid though.

My latest hobby is highest end headphones and audio gear and if I get a good deal, the price doesn't bother me as the value will not drop too badly regardless of how long I keep it.
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I have hifi gear which has last decades. Also be wary of some of the high end gear. I have listened to headphone systems which cost over £10000 and were beaten in sound quality by ones which cost a fraction of that. This was confirmed by mates who felt the same,and after looking up some data is was evident they could be engineered better.

Some if it's engineered to look good...but sometimes KISS yields the best results.

However hifi does hold its value.

GPUs are also relatively short lived in terms of actual usefulness. Unlike CPUs they rely on software support (drivers). It's why a 10 year old high end GPU is more useless than a 10 year old CPU.
 
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Seasonic confirms NVIDIA RTX 30 series 12-pin connector

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https://videocardz.com/newz/seasonic-confirms-nvidia-rtx-30-series-12-pin-adapter#disqus_thread

Minimum 850w PSU

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Richdog said:
Nvidia are objectively different to Intel... they are consistent technological innovators with a highly competent management and a great marketing team. Intel have been defined in the last 5 years by technological stagnancy and an incompetent management and marketing team.
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whatever do you mean? I mean that Marvel Avengers packaging is just genius right? That will solve all their problems right? Right? Anyone....?

Richdog said:
No matter how people want to assign their own personal values to them, Nvidia and AMD are no different in principle, they are both corporations that want to squeeze as much money from us as possible... it's just that one of them is in the dominant position where it doesn't have to lower prices. AMD currently do have to compete with lower prices, but as their position improves their prices will also likely rise as they seek to make more and more profit for their shareholders, who are getting increasingly demanding given the crapton of value that AMD shares have gained in the last 18 months. AMD want to be in the position Nvidia is in, that's their goal, they aren't working for the betterment of mankind.
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Sadly yes, this seems inevitable. I do wonder sometimes whether the world would be better off without this shareholder model of corporate ownership. at least if you must have this make the shares non-voting so they can't sway policy or force takeovers etc. Anyway that is a rabbit hole not for this thread and for another place and another time. I would love it however if AMD beat the pants of Ampere and sell it for more reasonable prices. That would be epic.
 
I am currently using a 2080S which I bought somewhat in a panic at the start of lockdown. I got 50% performance increase over my previous card for £450 after selling my old one (1070 Ti), which I found was a decent upgrade for the cost. I was originally waiting for the 3000 series, so this is still somewhat of an interim upgrade in my mind.

It looks like the 3090 will be too expensive for me as it will be no less than the cost of the 2080 Ti. I would also assume that the 3070 might deliver performance too close to my 2080S to make it a worthwhile upgrade.

This leaves the 3080 as the only potential upgrade for me. Does anyone know what the latest rumoured performance increase is on this card over the 2080 / 2080 Ti? I'm worried that there will simply be no worthwhile value proposition for me (I put little value in RTX at this time given it's still not widely adopted).

I wonder if other people with 1080 Ti / 2080 / 2080S, who aren't able to justify paying over the £1k mark, will be left wanting.
 
SirPsychoZe0 said:
It looks like the 3090 will be too expensive for me as it will be no less than the cost of the 2080 Ti.
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We have absolutely no real information on pricing. Almost everything you read about pricing in this thread is idle speculation and scaremongering.

Personally I think that prices will me much cheaper than the vastly inflated figures thrown about. If not immediately then by the end of the year. We know that the new XBox will cost $599. So, if you want to game at 4k, do you buy a Xbox Next for $599 or - if the hugely inflated prices are to be believed - a PC for double that?

Here's what you need today to be the equivalent of the next XBox:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,304.59 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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Plus Windows.

I've deliberately chosen the cheapest or near-cheapest components - hence the Kolink PSU and Palit GPU and no add-on CPU cooler. But do you see the outliers? Yup, that GPU and CPU. But the GPU is egregious. (And apparently the new consoles support hyperthreading.)

And for the PS5 you'd need a PCIe4 motherboard and a PCIe4 SSD, so add £100 or so. There's no alternative right now, so manufacturers can price-gouge. But that will change in November.

So I think prices are going to be much, much more modest by the end of the year.
 
Quartz said:
I've deliberately chosen the cheapest or near-cheapest components - hence the Kolink PSU and Palit GPU and no add-on CPU cooler. But do you see the outliers? Yup, that GPU and CPU. But the GPU is egregious. (And apparently the new consoles support hyperthreading.)

And for the PS5 you'd need a PCIe4 motherboard and a PCIe4 SSD, so add £100 or so. There's no alternative right now, so manufacturers can price-gouge. But that will change in November.

So I think prices are going to be much, much more modest by the end of the year.
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Can't compare a two year old GPU that's EOL with the new Xbox. We need to wait and see which 30XX is the equivalent. The CPUs aren't directly comparable either.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I have hifi gear which has last decades. Also be wary of some of the high end gear. I have listened to headphone systems which cost over £10000 and were beaten in sound quality by ones which cost a fraction of that. This was confirmed by mates who felt the same,and after looking up some data is was evident they could be engineered better.

Some if it's engineered to look good...but sometimes KISS yields the best results.

However hifi does hold its value.

GPUs are also relatively short lived in terms of actual usefulness. Unlike CPUs they rely on software support (drivers). It's why a 10 year old high end GPU is more useless than a 10 year old CPU.
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Luckily I got incredible prices on a couple of ex demo sets at the beginning of the pandemic when retailers had no use in holding onto stock for demo. Seen Focal Utopia 2nd hand sets sell for £500+ more than I paid, for example. And these will be as useful as day 1 until the day they stop working I guess. They're the kind of purchases where I got them and feel fully satisfied knowing we are near the summit and the difference now and in the future is almost exclusively in signature and barely in quality.

Whereas with GPUs like you said, we are nowhere near improvements being 1% here and there and so top end have short shelf life and lose value quickly.
 
HACO said:
There will probably be big shortages at first and a good amount of price gouging too. I wouldn’t hope to get one until November at close to MSRPs.
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The way to avoid the largest brunt of the gouging is seemingly either pre order as soon as the listings go up or do not order at all for months until stock is available in large quantities. If you order in between that, particularly after they've taken many pre orders already, you will be victim to the gouge.
 
XeNoNF50 said:
The way to avoid the largest brunt of the gouging is seemingly either pre order as soon as the listings go up or do not order at all for months until stock is available in large quantities. If you order in between that, particularly after they've taken many pre orders already, you will be victim to the gouge.
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The problem with pre-orders is that you're taking a big chance, there's no way to know which ones are coming into stock first. Some might take weeks/months until they arrive, others might come a lot quicker. Unless you just buy Founders directly from Nvidia.
 
XeNoNF50 said:
Luckily I got incredible prices on a couple of ex demo sets at the beginning of the pandemic when retailers had no use in holding onto stock for demo. Seen Focal Utopia 2nd hand sets sell for £500+ more than I paid, for example. And these will be as useful as day 1 until the day they stop working I guess. They're the kind of purchases where I got them and feel fully satisfied knowing we are near the summit and the difference now and in the future is almost exclusively in signature and barely in quality.

Whereas with GPUs like you said, we are nowhere near improvements being 1% here and there and so top end have short shelf life and lose value quickly.
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I have listened to those headphones - not bad at all then! If you look after them,they should easily last a decade or so. I did see some good deals floating about a few months ago,but ended up putting the funds towards some other things.

When I was more into higher end audio gear,I had Musical Fidelity stuff,and even years later I got a fair chunk of my money back when selling it. It was relatively "cheap" to own in retrospect.
 
Ordering ASAP is the smartest move if you know you're going to buy it anyway. Shortages are inevitable with so much pent-up demand and thus the price gouging. AMD will be the same story, tsmc 7nm is all booked & expensive. Turing & Navi market histories tell a very clear story.
 
Poneros said:
Ordering ASAP is the smartest move if you know you're going to buy it anyway. Shortages are inevitable with so much pent-up demand and thus the price gouging. AMD will be the same story, tsmc 7nm is all booked & expensive. Turing & Navi market histories tell a very clear story.
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In keeping with Nvidia's theme, there will only be 21 of each model available at launch, so you'd better be quick or willing to wait :P
 
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