NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Zenduri · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:10

Twinz said:
The irony is that the value of Ampere is inversely-proportional to the resale value of your Turing card.

If Ampere is just another Turing generation, your 2080ti should hold a good portion of it's value. If Ampere goes the way of most of the generations *before* Turing, your 2080ti will lose a large chunk of its resale.

benjii said:
Indeed. I think that's more true of Turing than it was with Pascal as a second hand 1080Ti is looking like a great purchase for a low - mid range card.

Maybe so. Im hoping its not a 20%+ uplift so it holds it value but to be honest, i didnt pay a penny for my 2080ti so it's all profit anyway.

gpuerrilla · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:15

wellibob said:
Upon release. Won't be enough stock of 3000 series cards so prices will go even higher (purposely helping the sales of the the already over priced 2000 series cards) and when they start to dry up (the 2000 series) suddenly stock of 3000 cards will be prevalent at whatever overpriced rrp prices Nvidia set.
It's obvious pc gamers are chomping at the bit for new cards. I'm just curious to see how much they charge for them then I can safely say I'm out of pc gaming for good until prices are reasonable.
I'm highly disturbed now when tech you tubers appear to say this £750 mid tier gpu is really good value.

Nvidia can go **** themselves.

Where have you been all my life!!!

Boomstick777 · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:17

Planning on keeping my 2080 Ti until you can pick 3XXX up second hand in a year or two. Rumoured new prices are insane imho.

The MM is great xD

surely a 2080 Ti will keep up at 1440P for a while yet ? I don't even use ray tracing, so that's a non issue lol.

JediFragger · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:20

Boomstick777 said:
Planning on keeping my 2080 Ti until you can pick 3XXX up second hand in a year or two. Rumoured new prices are insane imho.

Dude, you're as bad as me. You'll have one of the new cards (AMD/nV) before the year is out

Accept it, embrace it...

gpuerrilla · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:27

Jensen lube offer of half price right now, you will need it...!

Boomstick777 · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:32

JediFragger said:
Dude, you're as bad as me. You'll have one of the new cards (AMD/nV) before the year is out

Accept it, embrace it...

Ha maybe one of the lesser cards you're right, I'm talking about the flagship though. I waited until recently to pick up the 2080 Ti, when it hit a price I could justify. £700. Which is what I usually like to spend on a high end card.

I'll grab the 3080 Ti / 3090 when you guys have finished with them next year. MM is a blessing xD

Will mess with PS5 / Xbox One Series X no doubt too. They actually look really impressive.

gpuerrilla · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:52

Boomstick777 said:
...it hit a price I could justify. £700. Which is what I usually like to spend on a high end card.

I was with you till this.

caff · 26 Aug 2020 at 22:57

It seems to me that the Ampere range can't help but sell well. I often think of any hardware release as "new=better" vs. "new=solves a problem". What's being touted here is, in my opinion, definitely in the latter camp.

4K 120Hz monitors and VR are becoming prevalent, and they need high-end tech. Ampere, at least in the form of the 3090 rumours, seems to deliver here. I have no doubt that Jensen will be furiously polishing his leather jacket to announce that they have the perfect high res/refresh card.

Personally, I might buy, but I want a silent card. I've invested heavily in keeping my rig quiet. I don't want some hot mess of a card spoiling that.

TNA · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:01

HRL said:
That’s a BIG pair of knickers!

Whoops, I missed a letter

Pantries

ALXAndy · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:10

4K8KW10 said:
The truth being told is that AMD is nowhere - losing sales like no tomorrow

NVIDIA GeForce GPUs Gain Major Market Share Versus AMD Radeon in Q2 2020, Hits 80% Market Share In The Discrete Segment
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gpus-gain-major-market-share-versus-amd-radeon-in-q2-2020/

Without making this a 10,000 word essay.....

Even when they were ATI and making cards like the 5000 series and the Radeon 980 was it? and so on (IE offering much more performance per buck) their market share was crap. Fermi massively outsold the 5000 series.

So don't be surprised by this news at all.

The same went for the original Athlon CPUS. Even though they utterly smashed Intel at every point (price, perf and everything else) Intel still sold hand over fist.

However. That has totally changed with Ryzen. Not just because it is fantastic, but because Intel made about every mistake they could, slapping their users in the face and we now have things like Youtube and everything else. So Intel users can not hide any more. What I mean is, if they over pay for under performing hot CPUs they will know about it. Every one is telling them to buy AMD CPUs now.

Whether they can ever claw back any mindshare from Nvidia? in fact no let me rephrase that. Not ever, they have never ever had the sort of mindshare in the GPU market, then maybe that would change.

You also need to take the big picture into account. Nvidia have total dominance on laptop GPUs, for example. AMD didn't even show up for the race... So it goes much farther than RTX 20 series in PCs.

AMD would need a miracle to even sniff Jen's bum. This isn't Intel, who are known for being totally ignorant and all over the place internally. This is Nvidia, who I doubt will ever make the mistakes Intel have made over the past few years.

gpuerrilla · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:10

caff said:
4K 120Hz monitors and VR are becoming prevalent, and they need high-end tech. Ampere, at least in the form of the 3090 rumours, seems to deliver here. I have no doubt that Jensen will be furiously polishing his leather jacket to announce that they have the perfect high res/refresh card.
Personally, I might buy, but I want a silent card. I've invested heavily in keeping my rig quiet. I don't want some hot mess of a card spoiling that.

I would love to sing your enthusiasm, but unless there is a mammoth shift in performance, the lower stack has no chance of such a feat. Sure, the flagship is going to be good, but its not worth >£1300 good.

Twinz · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:11

wellibob said:
It's obvious pc gamers are chomping at the bit for new cards.

I'm doubtful the majority of PC gamers are chomping at the bit for *any* random new cards. There may be a few that are chasing each individual frame per second like Gollum searching for his ring and willing to give anything for it. -Maybe a few others willing to pay any price for some over-the-counter e-peen enhancement....

But I suspect a larger number of people are hoping to get some meaningful performance progress at various price points this generation.

I personally am not chomping at the bit for "any" new card. Turing had lots of those.

I'm hoping I can get a meaningful performance improvement over my 1080ti without feeling like I'm getting ripped-off.

"New" will only sell a few cards. "New and faster" will sell a few more. "New and meaningfully faster at a given price point" will sell a lot of cards. If Nvidia gets aggressive-enough on price/performance this time, I' might not wait to see AMD's offerings.

ALXAndy · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:12

BTW remember what I just said about mindshare? funny how that info has leaked out just days before the Ampere launch isn't it?

Get the butter out, you are going to need it.

gpuerrilla · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:20

You are quite right @ALXAndy - Mindshare is not something that will change overnight. Even if AMD can release a good stack this gen, it will take another two to gain enough traction to compete with nvidia's dominance.

Twinz · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:20

ALXAndy said:
This is Nvidia, who I doubt will ever make the mistakes Intel have made over the past few years.

IDK, They seem to be drip-feeding performance while overcharging for what they are delivering...like Intel.

gpuerrilla · 26 Aug 2020 at 23:23

One can only hope they rest on such laurels to get back to reasonable pricing.

chaparral · 27 Aug 2020 at 03:28

Th0nt said:
One can only hope they rest on such laurels to get back to reasonable pricing.

That be about as much chance as seeing the next flagship iPhone or Samsung Note being released for around £600 to £700

Richdog · 27 Aug 2020 at 04:39

Gerard said:
But there was no big marketing pushes for previous launches, the cards just arrived. The simple reason NVIDIA outsell amd in cards is due to the legacy of "bad drivers" continuing to haunt amd from the late 90's.

I dont think that drivers are the "simple reason" (lol) AMD are behind in sales etc... they probably barely factor into it.

AMD are only recently on a winning streak and have been behind Nvidia in technology as well as resources for a long time now. Additionally Nvidia has much more brand awareness, market share (80% or so) and marketing clout in the GPU space, similar to what Intel have historically (at least until relatively recently) enjoyed in the CPU space.

EDIT - Nvidia have 80% and AMD have 20% discrete GPU market share. That puts things into perspective https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gpus-gain-major-market-share-versus-amd-radeon-in-q2-2020/

Dirk Diggler · 27 Aug 2020 at 05:18

ALXAndy said:
AMD would need a miracle to even sniff Jen's bum.

The obsession with anal adventures in this thread.

beany_bot · 27 Aug 2020 at 08:04

Morning. Here we go again. Another full day, probably 6 or 7 pages. With no actual new info. maybe if we are lucky we get a link to some WCCFtech nonsense article. But we are certain to talk about leather jackets.