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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Greebo said:
A lot of people have downsized cases in recent years though. Not me, I went the opposite direction! Caselabs SMA8. I think from memory that can handle a Gfx card 500mm long!

This is it from a review with a 7990 card installed

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Last build, I downsized from ATX to mATX. Tbh, looking back it was a bit silly.

I will probably do a complete new build with Zen 3. New everything. And up-size again to ATX :p

Choosing a case is oddly always one of the tougher decisions! A lot of them I find a bit tacky, or over-stated. RGB can **** right off :p
 
Yip a case is hardest part from me ever since building my own PC's since about 2002.

I do not like to see front bay types, I want a door/cover so my 3 cases have been that style.
 
ALXAndy said:
If you are into buying cards every gen? then yeah I can see why you would be a bit disappointed. However, you also need to realise that the landscape has changed. For many years a generation would last you about a year at the top end, maybe two, and then the games would improve and you would need a new GPU. The very fact I had my Titan XP for over three and a half years and it was still smashing out over 100 FPS at 1440p ultra says a lot to me. Even in the newest titles like COD MW and so on. It never seemed aged, and it never ran out of VRAM and so on.

Nvidia know all of this. Every single last bit of it. So what you are paying £1400 for a GPU now? well guess what, it lasts twice as long as the £700 one. And that lasts twice as long as the £350 one, and so on. In fact, the most disappointing part of the GPU race is how badly the entry level and mid range has sat totally stagnant. The RX 480 launched bloody ages ago, yet the 580 is still the budget choice all these years later. And it is only 10% faster than the 480 was.

That, IMO, is why the 3080 will "only" ship with 10gb VRAM. Because Nvidia know that when that runs out you will be back. I have seen games we have already hitting 9.5gb VRAM in games at 4k. So it came as no surprise that this 2080Ti equivalent for £600 less is going to come with a caveat or two. You want safety? you are being led back to the £1400 card. However, like I also said, if you are not chasing RT and you are being sensible that card will last you for years. Just like my Titan XP did. In fact, I should still have that now. And I could have held onto it for another two years at least. I just got really, really bored with it.
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By your own admission, it sounds very much like the sub-12 GB cards are already obsolete, already running out of VRAM headroom.

How will the £700 card last "twice as long" as the £350 card, if they are both launching with less VRAM than needed, and will both hit that limit probably within the next 12 months?

Sounds like you are saying people should expect anything less than a £1400 card to be useless within the year. (e: Unless, you say, they want to turn RT off or dial down settings).

And that's OK, because the £1400 card exists - you could just buy that?!

Crazy logic.
 
Don't get the hate on RT. The industry has to move forward. The consoles are gonna support it. I assume the next gen console games are gonna do RT too so we all will need RT hardware soon in our PC's.

So 5% today is tomorrows 100%.

Nvidia just saw a way to win mind share a year early and associate the idea of RT with Nvidia. Nothing was stopping AMD doing the same and in hindsight they probably should have in order to stop the idea of RT being an Nvidia technology.
 
With these cards getting as fast as they are, even in the mid range we need more than 8GB.

Its time to step it all up a notch, mid range 8GB cards have been around for years.
 
JohnG7 said:
I have a NZXT 630 (Ultra Tower) and removed the HDD cages as no need for them+better airflow from front 200mm.

Cannot stand the new cases of past few years.
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I want to do that but I got a lot of HDDs still & figured I'll change case eventually and this will become my NAS.
 
opethdisciple said:
Don't get the hate on RT. The industry has to move forward. The consoles are gonna support it. I assume the next gen console games are gonna do RT too so we all will need RT hardware soon in our PC's.

So 5% today is tomorrows 100%.

Nvidia just saw a way to win mind share a year early and associate the idea of RT with Nvidia. Nothing was stopping AMD doing the same and in hindsight they probably should have in order to stop the idea of RT being an Nvidia technology.
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he said DLSS :D
 
humbug said:
With these cards getting as fast as they are, even in the mid range we need more than 8GB.

Its time to step it all up a notch, mid range 8GB cards have been around for years.
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Personally I hope nV do launch with 6GB/8GB/10GB for the 60/70/80. I also hope AMD launches competitive products with a lot more VRAM than that. And I hope it bites nV in the ass.

nV are getting far too greedy, and offering far too little now for the asking price.
 
FoxEye said:
By your own admission, it sounds very much like the sub-12 GB cards are already obsolete, already running out of VRAM headroom.

How will the £700 card last "twice as long" as the £350 card, if they are both launching with less VRAM than needed, and will both hit that limit probably within the next 12 months?

Sounds like you are saying people should expect anything less than a £1400 card to be useless within the year. (e: Unless, you say, they want to turn RT off or dial down settings).

And that's OK, because the £1400 card exists - you could just buy that?!

Crazy logic.
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You are missing the logic.

Firstly, who buys a card that was meant for 4k and then runs it at lower resolution... Too many right?

As for that's OK because the £1400 card exists you could buy that?

Tell me how any of that is wrong, even if it defies any common sense whatsoever..

Are you telling me that is not how it is? have you seen the sales figures? share prices and everything else?

So yes, it is crazy logic. However, that is how things are whether you, I or any one else likes it or not.

Sub 12gb cards are not already obsolete, BTW, but Nvidia will give you enough at each price point.

If you ever worked in sales you will know this is a very common tactic used by nearly every company who sells things the world over. It's called the rail roading technique, and it is very linear. I was trained in it when I sold that bum cleaner. See, the advert said "risk free" which got people to call as they thought it was free. It was then our job not to sell them the $69.90 autoship package but the pack of six for $400. Which was not advertised anywhere in any shape or form. As a "fall back" the $69.90 product was there, but we got hardly any commission at all. If we sold the $400 one? we got $5.

So you see, when Nvidia design their product stack it is solely done to make sure that any one who has any doubt will not only buy a more expensive card, but it also plays to people's egos in the very fact that "Can my ego take a £600 less card and still get a nice stroke?".
 
Joxeon said:
Well you do get a 14 day return option if you decide you don't want it if you buy a card online with another 14 days to return the card so you would get about 3 weeks before you needed to send the card back.
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That's not the answer though is it. Shops loose money because returned items are often sold as B grade for less money. Essentially it's theft.

That law was put in place to help buyers who make a genuine and honest mistake.

It shouldn't be abused by impatient and selfish people.
 
FoxEye said:
Personally I hope nV do launch with 6GB/8GB/10GB for the 60/70/80. I also hope AMD launches competitive products with a lot more VRAM than that. And I hope it bites nV in the ass.

nV are getting far too greedy, and offering far too little now for the asking price.
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Nvidia have been robbing people blind with VRAM for years, and if the specs are to be believed they're doing it again. You can spend £150 today and get 8GB, but somehow Ampere will get you you 8GB for $600.
 
AMD too, 5700XT has 8GB, its fast enough to benefit from more than that.

One reason the 1080TI is still popular, 11GB.
 
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