NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

The Old School Gamer · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:42

JediFragger said:
For the 2080S to go from 3072 to 4352 cores in the 3080 is a BIG jump for nVidia, they're certainly scared of something...

Maybe or it could just be part of the plan to promote the 3080 as the 2080ti replacement at a lower price point.
I think AMDs plan will be to tackle the 3080/3070/3060 range head on and try to undercut Nvidia to win over sales.

I doubt AMD will be to bothered about the 3090, as it's way out of the price range of most people.

danlightbulb · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:45

wookiee87 said:
problem is the 3080 has 10gb of ram which i find really odd, why pack a huge amount of cores into the die and skimp on the ram, it looks more and more that a ti model will land eventually with either 12,16,20gb variants, perhaps amd really has something with rdna2?

Is it skimped? We don't know because we haven't seen benchmarks. I asked a few pages back about ram and no one seems to want to answer the question. The ram in this series will be significantly faster in terms of operations per second and overall bandwidth, so perhaps the same amount of ram (or even less ram) can perform just as well as a greater amount of slower ram on the older cards?

peahead · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:45

wookiee87 said:
problem is the 3080 has 10gb of ram which i find really odd, why pack a huge amount of cores into the die and skimp on the ram, it looks more and more that a ti model will land eventually with either 12,16,20gb variants, perhaps amd really has something with rdna2?

I believe a 20gb variant will come at some point it was in a spec list on another thread.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/33879314/

wunkley · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:47

1080Ti owner here who purposefully skipped the Turing range. Bit out of the loop on all this, and I know there's no 100% solid pricing info yet - but is the 3090 still being touted as $1500 (so basically £1500)? I've seen a few rumours saying $2000....

gpuerrilla · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:48

The Old School Gamer said:
I doubt AMD will be to bothered about the 3090, as nobody really spends that budget on a dGPU.

Reworded. I would be interested in the Steam Survey type data to share the % of people on cards released in past say three years.

five8five · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:49

wookiee87 said:
problem is the 3080 has 10gb of ram which i find really odd, why pack a huge amount of cores into the die and skimp on the ram, it looks more and more that a ti model will land eventually with either 12,16,20gb variants, perhaps amd really has something with rdna2?

Well, it certainly seems to be a strong possibility as there's a purposely made gap in the SKUs which could be for a 3080 or 3080Ti with 20GB

RTX 3090 FE PG136-SKU10 deviceid 2204

RTX 3080 FE PG133-SKU30 deviceid 2206

https://mobile.twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1298607312429441026

OG Don Mecca · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:55

The Old School Gamer said:
Maybe or it could just be part of the plan to promote the 3080 as the 2080ti replacement at a lower price point.
I think AMDs plan will be to tackle the 3080/3070/3060 range head on and try to undercut Nvidia to win over sales.

I doubt AMD will be to bothered about the 3090, as it's way out of the price range of most people.

id say that sound pretty spot on to be fair

Vertigo · 29 Aug 2020 at 11:59

wunkley said:
1080Ti owner here who purposefully skipped the Turing range. Bit out of the loop on all this, and I know there's no 100% solid pricing info yet - but is the 3090 still being touted as $1500 (so basically £1500)? I've seen a few rumours saying $2000....

Same boat - 1080Ti, skipped Turing.

Definitely going 3090 this time, basically twice the speed of a 1080Ti according to rumours.

It's gonna be about £1400 base I think and upwards from there for AIBs. The top end AIB cards, especially the watercooled ones, will probably break £2k.

Vertigo · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:01

wookiee87 said:
problem is the 3080 has 10gb of ram which i find really odd, why pack a huge amount of cores into the die and skimp on the ram, it looks more and more that a ti model will land eventually with either 12,16,20gb variants, perhaps amd really has something with rdna2?

It's purely because, if they doubled it up to 20GB, it'd be too close to the 3090 and would steal sales from it.

It looks like the 3090 is only about 15-20% faster than the 3080 but costs 75% more. The additional VRAM is the only real justification for this.

Vertigo · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:04

wookiee87 said:
problem is the 3080 has 10gb of ram which i find really odd, why pack a huge amount of cores into the die and skimp on the ram, it looks more and more that a ti model will land eventually with either 12,16,20gb variants, perhaps amd really has something with rdna2?

They can't just release cards with arbitrary amounts of VRAM, it's linked to the number of CUDA cores or SMs or whatever you want to call it.

They can thus easily double the VRAM to 20GB but can't produce a 12GB or 16GB variant without tweaking the number of cores which makes it a fundamentally different product.

deuse · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:12

five8five said:
New AMD GPU release to steal Nvidia's thunder.

Sensibly priced alternative to the Ampere cards. 3GB of vram may cause some heated discussions though.

AMD quietly launches Radeon RX 5300 graphics cards

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-quietly-launches-radeon-rx-5300-graphics-cards

3G of RAM!! :eek:

4K gaming right there

Journey · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:13

Vertigo1 said:
Definitely going 3090 this time, basically twice the speed of a 1080Ti according to rumours.

It's gonna be about £1400 base I think and upwards from there for AIBs.

Interesting that at twice the price of the 1080 Ti, it will give twice the performance, just 3.5 years later

So VFM has just gone out of the window,

beany_bot · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:14

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wunkley · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:14

Vertigo1 said:
Same boat - 1080Ti, skipped Turing.

Definitely going 3090 this time, basically twice the speed of a 1080Ti according to rumours.

It's gonna be about £1400 base I think and upwards from there for AIBs. The top end AIB cards, especially the watercooled ones, will probably break £2k.

If it's around £1500 for the base models, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I'm seriously considering jumping in on the 3090. I've dropped around £1100 a time back in the day for SLI card setups (780Ti SLI, 980Ti SLI) so it's not beyond the realms of madness (well it is, but you know).

I reckon I'd be all over the 3080 but the 10GB vram really bothers me. Did a flightsim 2020 flight last night and it was using all 11GB of my 1080Ti's Vram for a while. A 3080 with 20GB Vram looks like it will be coming though. Hmmmmm

wunkley · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:24

AIO watercooling cooling ('DIY') for 3090/ 3080

On a side note, anyone any thoughts on Hybrid AIO watercooling for the new 3000 cards?

I've had a 'DIY' corsair h55 and nzxt kraken bracket setup on my 1080Ti for the last 3 years and it's been superb. Never breaks 60 degrees and is quiet as a mouse with my noctua and varder fans. I'd like to do similar for a 3090 or 3080 but the cooling design for the reference cards had me worried as it looks like cooling chambers both sides? But, the AIB cards look more traditional with just a huge 3 fan cooler on one side....

beany_bot · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:25

wunkley said:
I reckon I'd be all over the 3080 but the 10GB vram really bothers me.

I know right. I was all set to buy a 3080 (Im also a flight simmer). but a 700-800 quid card with less ram than an 800 quid card from 3 and a half years ago is totally unacceptable in my eyes.

wellibob · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:28

Nvidia says "bend over"

Me. "err no thanks"

wunkley · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:33

beany_bot said:
I know right. I was all set to buy a 3080 (Im also a flight simmer). but a 700-800 quid card with less ram than an 800 quid card from 3 and a half years ago is totally unacceptable in my eyes.

Yeah. I reckon it's a very canny move by Nvidia. Riding the initial launch wave of geek excitement, people with more money than sense will look at the 3080 with 'only' 10GB vram and be 'coerced' towards the 3090. If a 20GB 3080 launched at the same time, very few people would dive in on the 3090 I reckon.

For the next wave of PC gaming you've got to look at the PS5 and Xbox series X as lots of games are cross system developed and will be more so now. Haven't the new consoles got 16GB ram? I know it's not all for the GPU, but 10GB (3080) for a new card that I'd want to last me another 3 years minimum like my 1080Ti, just aint good enough.

beany_bot · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:34

wunkley said:
Yeah. I reckon it's a very canny move by Nvidia for at launch. Riding the initial launch wave of geek excitement, people with more money than sense will look at the 3080 with only 10GB vram and be 'co-erced' into getting the 3090. If a 20GB 3080 launched at the same time, very few people would dive in on the 3090 I reckon.

Spot on I recon. I'll wait for either AMD or the "supers" / 16GB+ variants.

Vertigo · 29 Aug 2020 at 12:36

wunkley said:
If it's around £1500 for the base models, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I'm seriously considering jumping in on the 3090. I've dropped around £1100 a time back in the day for SLI card setups (780Ti SLI, 980Ti SLI) so it's not beyond the realms of madness (well it is, but you know).

We live in a world where people are happy to drop four figures on a mobile phone so why not a GPU?