NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[aoaaron]

Limited stock coming next week supposedly. I only have a 980Ti though, don't really want to upgrade until the new series cards.

yeah but im pretty sure they will sell out within hours.

 

[opethdisciple]

This is console news but if it's true what he says then Big Navi could be something:

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD just mentioned that DXR1.1 was co-developed and co-architected between them and MS.

This is console news but if it's true what he says then Big Navi could be something:

There are some slides from the AMD presentation I posted in the Navi thread:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ray-tracing-coming-next-year.18869659/page-56

 

[Grim5]

AMD says RDNA 2 has achieved 50% improvement in performance per watt. If true, it means a RDNA 2 GPU pulling 200w would be on par in performance with the 2080ti

 

[scubes]

Hype me to the moon and back good for amd.

 

[GAC]

AMD says RDNA 2 has achieved 50% improvement in performance per watt. If true, it means a RDNA 2 GPU pulling 200w would be on par in performance with the 2080ti

which for the umpteenth time is a generation behind nvidia AGAIN!

also i though it was supposed to be 29% faster, as well.

until they are in the wild it means sod all same as nvidias rumours.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

which for the umpteenth time is a generation behind nvidia AGAIN!

also i though it was supposed to be 29% faster, as well.

until they are in the wild it means sod all same as nvidias rumours.

A 2080Ti uses significantly more than 200W so how is it behind? I understand that Nvidia are on a process node worse but we can only work with the information we have.

It's not like anything worse than Nvidia is pointless and terrible either. The closer AMD get the better it is for everyone and it's an immensely costly and time consuming industry to progress in.

This is all based on rumour too, so we will see how it actually arrives. It may be 50% better in very few circumstances or it may be a revolution.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

I could picture Navi arriving just in time for Nvidia to move the goal posts again with their 30xx series cards.
Regardless of which is faster (does it REALLY matter??), new competition will be good to drive down retail prices.
Let's face it, cards from both are hardly made from super scarce materials. They come from the residual products of oil (plastic) and sand (silicon). So whilst the process to produce them will be costly, the raw materials have probably minimal genuine costs.

 

[GAC]

A 2080Ti uses significantly more than 200W so how is it behind? I understand that Nvidia are on a process node worse but we can only work with the information we have.

It's not like anything worse than Nvidia is pointless and terrible either. The closer AMD get the better it is for everyone and it's an immensely costly and time consuming industry to progress in.

This is all based on rumour too, so we will see how it actually arrives. It may be 50% better in very few circumstances or it may be a revolution.

true a 2080ti draws around 280 watts gaming (obviously depends on specific cards, clocks and cooling) so yes big navi could technically draw 200 watts MAYBE and thats the issue as you say it maybe better in very few circumstances. the issue i have with a few posters of late is the way the rumours are being posted as fact its getting beyond the odd rumour but a daily torrent of made up nonsense of half guesses and dreams of what maybe.

and yes id love amd to come out with big navi and stick a large boot up nvidias backside on perf and price but like i said IF big navi comes out and matches a 2080ti in performance not perf per watt but raw performance its still a generation behind when ampere hits, iv been saying its probably going to be another generational leap so 2 years before amd may match the current gen of nvidias and il say it again yes i wish it would happen this year but unless amd has really worked some magic and nvidias dropped the ball and is only giving minor performance increases outside of 2nd gen rt cores i just dont see it happening.

i just wish a few posters on here would calm down a touch with the rumours and leaks which for the most part are educated guesswork at best.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Relative speed above the ultra 4k@60 threshold is far less interesting than the price of entry imho, so if Nvidia go for an Uber product at an eye watering price I’ve no issue with that, its where they want an eye watering price for something no a great deal faster than the more sensible priced tier.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

true a 2080ti draws around 280 watts gaming (obviously depends on specific cards, clocks and cooling) so yes big navi could technically draw 200 watts MAYBE and thats the issue as you say it maybe better in very few circumstances. the issue i have with a few posters of late is the way the rumours are being posted as fact its getting beyond the odd rumour but a daily torrent of made up nonsense of half guesses and dreams of what maybe.

and yes id love amd to come out with big navi and stick a large boot up nvidias backside on perf and price but like i said IF big navi comes out and matches a 2080ti in performance not perf per watt but raw performance its still a generation behind when ampere hits, iv been saying its probably going to be another generational leap so 2 years before amd may match the current gen of nvidias and il say it again yes i wish it would happen this year but unless amd has really worked some magic and nvidias dropped the ball and is only giving minor performance increases outside of 2nd gen rt cores i just dont see it happening.

i just wish a few posters on here would calm down a touch with the rumours and leaks which for the most part are educated guesswork at best.

We all need competition, it's never a bad thing as a consumer so I don't understand why people refuse to take advantage of it.

Even if AMD end up 10% slower, as long as it's 20% cheaper it's a good card in my book. Having the performance crown is nice but it's hardly the be all and end all and being 10% slower doesn't suddenly make your product 'garbage and worthless' like a lot of people insinuate.

 

[Grim5]

A 2080Ti uses significantly more than 200W so how is it behind? I understand that Nvidia are on a process node worse but we can only work with the information we have.

It's not like anything worse than Nvidia is pointless and terrible either. The closer AMD get the better it is for everyone and it's an immensely costly and time consuming industry to progress in.

This is all based on rumour too, so we will see how it actually arrives. It may be 50% better in very few circumstances or it may be a revolution.

out of interest you can down clock the 2080ti use just 170w but still retain 80% of its performance

 

[Grim5]

I could picture Navi arriving just in time for Nvidia to move the goal posts again with their 30xx series cards.
Regardless of which is faster (does it REALLY matter??), new competition will be good to drive down retail prices.
Let's face it, cards from both are hardly made from super scarce materials. They come from the residual products of oil (plastic) and sand (silicon). So whilst the process to produce them will be costly, the raw materials have probably minimal genuine costs.

I look forward to amd forcing Nvidia price cuts... but it won't be at the high end unfortunately. The 3080ti will still be priced high maybe even higher now to make up for lower margins on the mid range cards. While the biggest Navi 2x cars may beat the 2080to by 20% the 3080ti will still be another 20 to 30% faster than that.


Then again who knows amd May find a way to screw it up. At the investor day they said they want to improve their gross margins from its current 40% to 50% to be in line with what Nvidia makes. That means all AMD products will need to increase in price

you can only be the value leader for so long, now that AMD has the mindshare market share and performance advantages over intel and very competitive with Nvidia its the perfect time for them to raise their prices to make investors happy after years of poor margins

 

[Sargatanas2511]

out of interest you can down clock the 2080ti use just 170w but still retain 80% of its performance

You can do this on any card. What's the point in spending £1000 on a card then worrying about the power it draws though?

I can understand it to an extent on something like a 2060/5700 which also work well just lowering the voltage, but when you are paying that money for a card, what is an extra £50 a year electricity bill?

 

[Stanners]

We all need competition, it's never a bad thing as a consumer so I don't understand why people refuse to take advantage of it.

Even if AMD end up 10% slower, as long as it's 20% cheaper it's a good card in my book. Having the performance crown is nice but it's hardly the be all and end all and being 10% slower doesn't suddenly make your product 'garbage and worthless' like a lot of people insinuate.

How long has the 280Ti been out, 18 months? and you would be happy for AMD to provide a card 10% slower for 20% less of the cost of the 2080Ti. You should have just bought a 2080Ti 18 months ago and you would have had a lot of use for your couple of hundred pounds in that time. Now if the card was £400 and 10% slower then that would be a different story.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

How long has the 280Ti been out, 18 months? and you would be happy for AMD to provide a card 10% slower for 20% less of the cost of the 2080Ti. You should have just bought a 2080Ti 18 months ago and you would have had a lot of use for your couple of hundred pounds in that time. Now if the card was £400 and 10% slower then that would be a different story.

Sorry I wasn't directly talking about the 2080Ti, I was talking more about the next generation of cards. If AMD's new cards end up 10% slower than Nvidia's next cards for 20% less I would take that.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

Even if AMD end up 10% slower, as long as it's 20% cheaper it's a good card in my book. Having the performance crown is nice but it's hardly the be all and end all and being 10% slower doesn't suddenly make your product 'garbage and worthless' like a lot of people insinuate.

Isn't that already available, i.e. the 2080 super?

 

[Stanners]

Sorry I wasn't directly talking about the 2080Ti, I was talking more about the next generation of cards. If AMD's new cards end up 10% slower than Nvidia's next cards for 20% less I would take that.

Yeah I would be interested in them for that, just to try something different if anything.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Isn't that already available, i.e. the 2080 super?

Yes it is, but having a 1080Ti that seemed like a pointless upgrade. Like I said afterward, I was talking more about the 3080Ti/RDNA2 top end card. If the AMD card ends up 10% less capable but 20% cheaper that's not really a problem to me.

It would be the same if the Nvidia card ended up 10% less powerful but 20% cheaper, though I know that's less likely.

 

[HRL]

You can do this on any card. What's the point in spending £1000 on a card then worrying about the power it draws though?

I can understand it to an extent on something like a 2060/5700 which also work well just lowering the voltage, but when you are paying that money for a card, what is an extra £50 a year electricity bill?

I’ve ended up undervolting my 2080Ti. Still run the same same OC I was running at with 120% power, but now running at 96% power instead.

Keeps the fan noise down and no loss of performance that I’ve ever noticed. Rarely exceeds 280W now when previously it was pulling up to 330W.