Nvidia attacks PS4 hardware, calls it "low-end"

Rroff said:
I think it will be awhile before we see AMD pushing competitive prices tho it will probably come in the long term, they are struggling a bit for cash at the moment and having to take quite drastic steps to free up capital, in the long term tho theres quite a lot of motivation for them to return to pushing the prices down to gain market share and try to edge nVidia out. I'd be quite suprised if they aren't looking at the Titan prices and wanting a bit of that pie at the moment.
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There is very little chance of that. At the rumoured 10,000 cards, at $1000 each we're talking about a $10million income product, to two companies that push well into the billions in yearly revenue wouldn't be interested in that at all... $10million income for a product that if AMD couldn't sell it to the professional market, would mean a decent R&D cost, $2-3mil JUST to tape the thing out, they would make a loss making a 550mm2 product today. IN the next year or two if they can push openCL better(their push for HSA and balancing the usage of gpu/cpu) and get a move into the professional market thats certainly a possibility.

Nvidia are picking up $10mil income, off a fairly low R&D spend for selling off broken cores they had anyway, AMD will be looking at Titan and thinking... do we want to make a loss, to sell a very low volume part that will make our guys spending £400 on a gpu feeling like they are getting bad value for money? No, I really don't think they are. Nvidia wouldn't be selling "Titan" if they weren't making it for the professional market, costs, yield, R&D tape out costs FAR exceed the available profit in the gaming segment.

Nvidia users should be thinking £800, and its 15% ahead of a £350 card in several games..... why on earth aren't I buying AMD. Unfortunately there are people that buy Apple at twice the cost for no reason, people who will buy AMD when its not warranted, and people who buy Nvidia when its the worse choice... that is life.
 
It said in that write up ..."comments from the Nvidia senior vice president are noteworthy because they aren't just from an industry rival trying promote PC gaming vs PS4". Did someone say Nvidia's Tony Tamasi is an nvidiot? :D
 
drunkenmaster said:
There is very little chance of that.
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As per my later clarification I don't mean literally making a "big" expensive to produce GPU to sell at titan type prices but the fact that there was relatively quite a lot of people prepared to pay those kind of prices has got to have got some interest. I see in the short term it doing more to drive up prices than there being more competition on price.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Nvidia users should be thinking £800, and its 15% ahead of a £350 card in several games..... why on earth aren't I buying AMD. Unfortunately there are people that buy Apple at twice the cost for no reason, people who will buy AMD when its not warranted, and people who buy Nvidia when its the worse choice... that is life.
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If Nvidia released a Nvidia branded jacket potato, folks would buy it if it cost £10 :rolleyes:
 
I personally think this is a big mistake by nvidia to ignore the next gen console market.

Sure, PC's are more powerful, but consoles are generally more mainstream, and if all next-gen consoles have AMD hardware, games developers are going to be more familiar working with AMD hardware, and console ports to PC are going to be better optimised for AMD users.

A lot of PC users have already swapped to AMD this generation due to their competitive pricing.

Hope nvidia wakes up and smells the roses, because if they neglect the mainstream / casual market, I don't necessarily know if they will be able to survive relying on high-end PC hardware ONLY, especially with the global economic downturn meaning people have less money to spend on entertainment in general...
 
ShakeNBake said:
I personally think this is a big mistake by nvidia to ignore the next gen console market.

Sure, PC's are more powerful, but consoles are generally more mainstream, and if all next-gen consoles have AMD hardware, games developers are going to be more familiar working with AMD hardware, and console ports to PC are going to be better optimised for AMD users.

A lot of PC users have already swapped to AMD this generation due to their competitive pricing.

Hope nvidia wakes up and smells the roses, because if they neglect the mainstream / casual market, I don't necessarily know if they will be able to survive relying on high-end PC hardware ONLY, especially with the global economic downturn meaning people have less money to spend on entertainment in general...
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It's very unlikely that nVidia actually did turn anyone down. I highlighted in one of my earlier posts about how Sony have got plenty of reasons to have not even considered an nVidia GPU for the PS4.

I think that nVidia didn't even get the opportunity to have an input which is why they're coming out with bitter comments like this now. As we all know, they have issues with being truthful anyway.
 
ShakeNBake said:
I personally think this is a big mistake by nvidia to ignore the next gen console market.

Sure, PC's are more powerful, but consoles are generally more mainstream, and if all next-gen consoles have AMD hardware, games developers are going to be more familiar working with AMD hardware, and console ports to PC are going to be better optimised for AMD users.

A lot of PC users have already swapped to AMD this generation due to their competitive pricing.

Hope nvidia wakes up and smells the roses, because if they neglect the mainstream / casual market, I don't necessarily know if they will be able to survive relying on high-end PC hardware ONLY, especially with the global economic downturn meaning people have less money to spend on entertainment in general...
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nVidia has been putting (way too much) effort into project SHIELD and trotting out headlines like "Project SHIELD Called ‘Technical Tour De Force’ by Leading Industry Analyst", quite a lot of the reason they aren't in any future consoles is they delusionally believe it will supersede consoles for gaming (seriously).
 
OLDPHART said:
The Nvidia V AMD > fanboys is a standing joke on this forum been going on for years.
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I doubt very much the fanboyism is limited to this forum. But it is quite a coup that AMD have snapped up all the hardware contracts for the next generation of consoles.

ShakeNBake said:
I personally think this is a big mistake by nvidia to ignore the next gen console market.
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There not that silly just to ignore contracts that could result in sales of 100's of millions of chips, they were just outbided by a competitor (or lets be honest 'out bribed').
 
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Freddie1980 said:
I doubt very much the fanboyism is limited to this forum. But it is quite a coup that AMD have snapped up all the hardware contracts for the next generation of consoles.



There not that silly just to ignore contracts that could result in sales of 100's of millions of chips, they were just outbided by a competitor (or lets be honest 'out bribed').
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Go to bed :o
 
No mention that the consoles can push simply a huge amount more through a lesser gpu as it isn't shackled by gimped out DX code on a multi purpose OS-which almost every PC gamer doesn't realize.:o

Typical Nvidia comments tbh when they can't do something that others can-DX11 is rubbish and pointless...



In regards to Project Shield, I wouldn't like to be the guy who gave the thumbs up for thinking Project Shield is going to hit the ground running-when it can already be done on any gpu on any android device for the cost of less than a tenner and a wireless 360 pad, Iv'e been able to do that for years now on my Xoom.

and we came to the conclusion that we didn't want to do the business at the price those guys were willing to pay
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Of course they didn't, multi billion companies don't need to entertain Nvidia's 'the sky's the limit' pricing policy.:p
 
It just made sense and nvidia are secretly raging but are playing the we dont care we have titan etc bullcrap.

ATI match them almost step for step recently in GPU market,they are just behind Intel in the cpu department and have 8 cores machines that can use 2400 DDR3 and go 4-5ghz.


They need the sales so you can hammer them with a low price point if you are sony and microsoft.Everyone but Nvidia is a winner.



Although i dont get why such the low clock speed on the APU.It is the one gripe i have apart from the consoles not being modular.They are basically AMD pc's so why can someone not upgrade the GFX card inside the PS4? Or why can Nvidia and ATI tender every 2 years to make an updated revision? Every 2 years people could upgrade and its not going to be super hard to code for a maximum of 4 cards.1 GPU same components different graphics card.It happens all the time on the PC.
 
Nvidia said:
Ps4 hardware is low end and beneath us
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Gregster said:
With the release of 4K TV's very soon, a PS4 and Xbox720 will look pretty shoddy on one of those IMO.
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We wont see affordable 4k mass market TV's for another 4 to 5 years and when we do the next gen consoles will look as good on 4k as the current consoles look on 1080p.
 
hmm half the performance of a 680? i thought the ps4 had a gpu like a 7850 but with more vram, hardly half the performance, and they'd get a lot more out of it from a closed platform like the ps4, i dont think a cpu like the 8 core 8350 is particularly bad either once developers can thread over 8 cores. its certainly no worse than what the xbox 360 had when that was released compared to what was around then, and look what they squeezed out of that.
 
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jamiehavok said:
hmm half the performance of a 680? i thought the ps4 had a gpu like a 7850 but with more vram, hardly half the performance, and they'd get a lot more out of it from a closed platform like the ps4, i dont think a cpu like the 8 core 8350 is particularly bad either once developers can thread over 8 cores. its certainly no worse than what the xbox 360 had when that was released compared to what was around then, and look what they squeezed out of that.
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The 8350 is a very good CPU tbh, especially when you factor in the price and the awesome motherboards you can get for cheap on AMD builds. For live streaming they are supposedly better than the i7's. It's a shame games aren't using 8 cores.
 
Why are people bashing nvidia for saying this?

The 8 core 1.4ghz processor sounds more like something out of a mobile phone and it's paired with an underclocked 7850.

Sounds low end to me
 
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