Nvidia Delays GTX 1650 Reviews by Withholding Drivers

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I run a TFX Power 2 300W in an Elite 110, 3 years ago I put in a homemade Itx Rx470, It was quickly swapped out with my current Gtx1060 6g.
I used to own 7x Rx570's itx's, now down to just 1.

For some the power consumption vs performance is more critical than others.

I agree it is, but this card is too expensive for what it is, only in nVidia's world do you make a card that's significantly slower and more expensive than a rivals card and think that's good because its more power efficient, i know Turning is greatly more power efficient than Polaris but its a slower card, just being more power efficient shouldn't be what dictates a higher price.

 

[Davedree]

Yeah i agree, if you're building a system where you're looking at TFX PSU then the system you're building is very small, so small the single fan PCIe powered 1650 is way too big for, if you're building a system where the card fits in the case its a case for ordinary 'if small chassis PSU's' which all have PCIe connectors.

The GTX 1650 is not a GPU designed for micro-builds, its an ordinary GPU that's power efficient enough 'if you don't run it at higher clocks' to stay within a 75 Watt PCIe TDP, given that its significantly slower than the RX 570 and yet still more expensive its the only thing going for it, so that's the band wagon everyone who wants to defend nVidia and this card jumps on.

I agree it is, but this card is too expensive for what it is, only in nVidia's world do you make a card that's significantly slower and more expensive than a rivals card and think that's good because its more power efficient, i know Turning is greatly more power efficient than Polaris but its a slower card, just being more power efficient shouldn't be what dictates a higher price.

Unfortunately the average enthusiast or gamer will pretty much only look at Performance and price of a card, all other factors become irrelevant.
On the other side there was nothing going for the Rx590 when it was released, very poor power consumption (230w-or 180w when user tamed, poor performance uplift and it was priced too high (£225-260ish), despite having a X3 game bundle that you had to wait a couple of months for.
The Gtx1660/1660ti was the first time in a long time nvidia played fair and priced accordingly at launch and at the same time provided an uplift in performance.
Effectively Amd have now removed rhe game bundle,reduced the Rx570/580 into the same price crash (£130ish )that the Rx470 did before the price tiers were reconstructed with the Rx500 refresh,
but conveniently it's left the Rx590 at the same pricepoint to which has propped up the Gtx1660 pricing. Marvellous hey !!!

If today you were to chose between the Rx590 and Gtx1660/ti which are at identical prices, then you'd be crazy to not go for the Gtx1660. (I'm sure someone will cherry pick a title and say 1660 loses here, or Rx580 is cheaper so get the 580).
But anyways I agree with you the 1650 is way too expensive and does not perform, it should not be priced as it is, just as the Rx590 shares the same problem.

it should be like this.
Gtx1650 - £70-100
Gtx 1660 £130-160
Gtx1660ti £180 -210




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I have spent a lot more time over the last couple of years directing opinionated ramblings at AMD for their failures than i have nVidia believe me.

I have a problem with the whole GPU scene as it is right now, this GPU is just another symptom of it.

 

[Davedree]

I have spent a lot more time over the last couple of years directing opinionated ramblings at AMD for their failures than i have nVidia believe me.

I have a problem with the whole GPU scene as it is right now, this GPU is just another symptom of it.

Exactly that, maybe it's time for my first console since the original Ps.

 

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The thought has crossed my mind, they are getting quite good, the PS5 and new Xbox do look promising.

To all the nVidia apologists out there that's just more money to AMD, less money for your god emperor.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I run a TFX Power 2 300W in an Elite 110, 3 years ago I put in a homemade Itx Rx470, It was quickly swapped out with my current Gtx1060 6g.
I used to own 7x Rx570's itx's, now down to just 1.

For some the power consumption vs performance is more critical than others.

Both the RX470 and GTX1060 are similar in power consumption,although the latter is a faster card overall. Those figures look similar to the difference I saw between my RX470 and the GTX1080 I now have. I also had a GTX960 4GB too.

The RX570 actually increased power consumption a reasonable amount over the RX470 BTW. AMD just overvolted the GPU to increase clockspeeds. It went up another 40W!!

But that is the problem there. You ran a GTX1060 fine off a 300W PSU. I am running a GTX1080 fine off a 450W SFX PSU. I ran the system parts outside the case for a week or so before my rebuild and the fan on my SF450 wouldn't even spin up for a number of games with the GTX1080!! With my old IB Core i7,a few SSDs and HDDs,AIO water cooler,16GB of RAM,etc the GTX1080 system was maxing out 280W to 290W IIRC,and the RX470 system was maxing out at roughly 240W,with a low of 130W. These are at the wall BTW.

Corsair was running their own Corsair ONE SFF PC with a GTX1080 off the 400W version of my PSU.

So what is the point of this card at close to £150,if you can run a GTX1060 or GTX1660 off a 300W~400W PSU?? The worst thing is RX470 cards were as low as £150 in 2016,GTX1060 3GB cards a bit higher than that and if you had a system with a normal sized case you could get a good enough PSU to do the job for like £30 to £40. If you had a totally non crap 400W you would be fine.

So in 2016 or early 2017 ,you could have spent £180 to £190(or less) on either option and had better performance for 2 to 2.5 years when compared to a £140 to £150 GTX1650 in 2019.

The RX570 at £125 is not massively amazing if you could get RX470/RX570 cards in late 2016 and early 2017 for £150. Its only the GPU market has stagnated so much it looks good in comparison. The same as the GTX1660 which looks good partly down to the market being pushed upwards increasingly and a whole ton of meh or overpriced releases since 2017.

 

[chrcoluk]

The card sucks, but nvidia know the older pascal cards are no longer made, so for someone who doesnt want to buy a used card, possibly even worse isnt aware of pascal (gpu newbie), or simply cannot source pascal, would maybe just end up buying one.

To me the turing gen is just a failure, maybe a couple of the cards are okish, but compared to pascal and maxwell big disappointment.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I was looking around and the RX580 8GB is as low as £150?? It makes me wonder whether we might see even lower Polaris GPU prices,with Navi being released in a few months time.

 

[Davedree]

Both the RX470 and GTX1060 are similar in power consumption,although the latter is a faster card overall. Those figures look similar to the difference I saw between my RX470 and the GTX1080 I now have. I also had a GTX960 4GB too.

The RX570 actually increased power consumption a reasonable amount over the RX470 BTW. AMD just overvolted the GPU to increase clockspeeds. It went up another 40W!!

But that is the problem there. You ran a GTX1060 fine off a 300W PSU. I am running a GTX1080 fine off a 450W SFX PSU. I ran the system parts outside the case for a week or so before my rebuild and the fan on my SF450 wouldn't even spin up for a number of games with the GTX1080!! With my old IB Core i7,a few SSDs and HDDs,AIO water cooler,16GB of RAM,etc the GTX1080 system was maxing out 280W to 290W IIRC,and the RX470 system was maxing out at roughly 240W,with a low of 130W. These are at the wall BTW.

Corsair was running their own Corsair ONE SFF PC with a GTX1080 off the 400W version of my PSU.

So what is the point of this card at close to £150,if you can run a GTX1060 or GTX1660 off a 300W~400W PSU?? The worst thing is RX470 cards were as low as £150 in 2016,GTX1060 3GB cards a bit higher than that and if you had a system with a normal sized case you could get a good enough PSU to do the job for like £30 to £40. If you a totally non crap 400W you would be fine.

So in 2016 or early 2017 ,you could have spent £180 to £190(or less) on either option and had better performance for 2 to 2.5 years when compared to a £140 to £150 GTX1650 in 2019.

The RX570 at £125 is not massively amazing if you could get RX470/RX570 cards in late 2016 and early 2017 for £150. Its only the GPU market has stagnated so much it looks good in comparison. The same as the GTX1660 which looks good partly down to the market being pushed upwards increasingly and a whole ton of meh or overpriced releases since 2017.

Yeah we both run similar setups mines a 3770k on a H61 itx board,
The Rx470 4gb (still have it) was good for it's time but I don't regret swapping it out for the Gtx1060 despite costing £250 on release day.

As you perfectly summed up in quite a few points, the stagnation/the false economy over similar performance from 3 years ago vs the Gtx1650 in 2019. It's a joke and I'm not ignoring the mining boom as an influence of the last few years either.
As I said (so have you )todays Rx570/580 pricing is not great considering the Rx470/480 bottomed out at £130-150 and could have had 2 years+ usage.
The market has become what is has, just a shame Navi was cancelled, but if it comes out stronger then it may be worth the wait.

 

[Davedree]

The card sucks, but nvidia know the older pascal cards are no longer made, so for someone who doesnt want to buy a used card, possibly even worse isnt aware of pascal (gpu newbie), or simply cannot source pascal, would maybe just end up buying one.

To me the turing gen is just a failure, maybe a couple of the cards are okish, but compared to pascal and maxwell big disappointment.

I agree considering Volta was axed, I think Nvidia just pushed too hard on Rtx demo tech that wasn't powerful enough and didn't scale equally upon all the family of Gpus, Greedy pricing etc and big dies.
They need a die shrink but the GTX Turing in the form of Tu116 is pretty good but nothing like the genius of Maxwell on a very aged 28nm process, or pascal's continuation in refinement.
Equally Amd haven't made great progress either.

 

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Steve with a little punch at nVidia

https://youtu.be/HC1kzO_gIp4?t=118