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Nvidia Did Not Invent The (Modern) GPU – ITC Court Rules In Samsung’s Favor

linktoinsanity said:
From the thread title, how has this thread turned into a Console vs. PC debate?

PC wins, clearly.
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No way, everyone knows mobile won :D;)


humbug said:
Technically anything with the iGPU on the same die is an APU but what AMD call an APU is architecturally quite different, its that architectural difference that enables what no other APU like processor can do, stream serial tasks in parallel on a unified memory architecture vastly improving x86 floating point performance.

Yes on the face of it these things all look the same but Bru is right, AMD APU's are the only 'true Heterogeneous architecture'
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Unless I made a mistake AMD and Imagination Tech did that years before AMD. Unified memory architecture with the GPU boosting floating point performance, unified shaders, are all ideas AMD borrowed. AMD have a habit of borrowing ideas from ARM and Imagination Tech bringing those ideas to the desktop market then getting credit for inventing the idea :( AMD didn't crate APU's they just took the idea from another market and renamed it. Just like NVidia didn't create the GPU. The so called first GPU from NVidia didn't do anything other graphics boards at the time couldn't do.

I don't see how AMD have the only 'true Heterogeneous architecture' if anything they are about 5+ steps behind ARM and Imagination Tech. Imagination have been doing True heterogeneous multi-processors for generations now with power savings in excess of 30% alongside a 2x performance gain when GPUs are used to augment the CPU compared to a CPU-only solution.
 
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Pottsey said:
No way, everyone knows mobile won :D;)



Unless I made a mistake AMD and Imagination Tech did that years before AMD. Unified memory architecture with the GPU boosting floating point performance, unified shaders, are all ideas AMD borrowed. AMD have a habit of borrowing ideas from ARM and Imagination Tech bringing those ideas to the desktop market then getting credit for inventing the idea :( AMD didn't crate APU's they just took the idea from another market and renamed it. Just like NVidia didn't create the GPU. The so called first GPU from NVidia didn't do anything other graphics boards at the time couldn't do.

I don't see how AMD have the only 'true Heterogeneous architecture' if anything they are about 5+ steps behind ARM and Imagination Tech. Imagination have been doing True heterogeneous multi-processors for generations now with power savings in excess of 30% alongside a 2x performance gain when GPUs are used to augment the CPU compared to a CPU-only solution.
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"AMD and Imagination Tech did that years before AMD" ?

I have never seen anything like this from Imagination Tech, you might be confusing HSA with OpenCL GPGPU, they are not the same, not even close.

And given that Imagination Tech are an IP group they might have something to say if AMD "Borrowed" their technology.
 
humbug said:
"AMD and Imagination Tech did that years before AMD" ?

I have never seen anything like this from Imagination Tech, you might be confusing HSA with OpenCL GPGPU, they are not the same, not even close.

And given that Imagination Tech are an IP group they might have something to say if AMD "Borrowed" their technology.
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AMD didn’t borrow the technology they borrowed the idea and developed their own version. Just like they borrowed the idea of hardware FSAA, low level API, Unified shaders, Hardware-Based Virtualized and all the other ideas.

Amd’s first released APU was 2011. ARM And Imagination have been in APUs that date back to 2001 or longer an entire decade longer. As for HSA no I am not confusing it for OpenGL. ImgTech have been doing and pushing HSA for years. IMG have been talking about it at all the big graphic shows and have had full HSA products out on the market for years now. AMD and IMG teamed up on HSA for a reason.

That’s why I objected to you saying only AMD have a true Heterogeneous architecture and the line "enables what no other APU like processor can do " which isn't corret. Both company’s teamed up as both companies are heavily invested in HSA. Take the MT8135 APU/SoC as an example. Its a 2013 chip with I forgot how many cores, but 2 different CPUs, 2 GPU clusters and a full Heterogeneous architecture.
 
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Pottsey said:
AMD didn’t borrow the technology they borrowed the idea and developed their own version. Just like they borrowed the idea of hardware FSAA, low level API, Unified shaders, Hardware-Based Virtualized and all the other ideas.

Amd’s first released APU was 2011. ARM And Imagination have been in APUs that date back to 2001 or longer an entire decade longer. As for HSA no I am not confusing it for OpenGL. ImgTech have been doing and pushing HSA for years. IMG have been talking about it at all the big graphic shows and have had full HSA products out on the market for years now. AMD and IMG teamed up on HSA for a reason.

That’s why I objected to you saying only AMD have a true Heterogeneous architecture and the line "enables what no other APU like processor can do " which isn't corret. Both company’s teamed up as both companies are heavily invested in HSA. Take the MT8135 APU/SoC as an example. Its a 2013 chip with I forgot how many cores, but 2 different CPUs, 2 GPU clusters and a full Heterogeneous architecture.
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I don't suppose you can give me any examples at all for what you are saying?
 
Thats 2013 not 2001, you your self said AMD's first APU was in 2011.
AMD, MediaTek, Imagination and a whole bunch of others are the HSA founders, so its not exactly a huge surprise is it? Like they wouldn't be involved with HSA being HSA partners.

http://www.hsafoundation.com/

I really don't see the point that you are driving at.
 
humbug said:
Thats 2013 not 2001, you your self said AMD's first APU was in 2011.
AMD, MediaTek, Imagination and a whole bunch of others are the HSA founders, so its not exactly a huge surprise is it? Like they wouldn't be involved with HSA being HSA partners.

http://www.hsafoundation.com/

I really don't see the point that you are driving at.
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You said that only AMD had a true Heterogeneous system. I was pointing out that others have true Heterogeneous systems as well. You also said in your eyes AMD invented the APU. My point was Cyrix had an APU in 1996, my brother used to use Cyrix CPU's for his first PC. PowerVR and ARM have been doing APU’s since around 2001. AMD didn't invent low level API's, APU's, Heterogeneous systems or hardware visualization in GPU's. Those are just ideas AMD borrowed and implanted.
 
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Pottsey said:
You said that only AMD had a true Heterogeneous system. I was pointing out that others have true Heterogeneous systems as well. You also said in your eyes AMD invented the APU. My point was Cyrix had an APU in 1997. PowerVR and ARM have been doing APU’s since around 2001. AMD didn't invent low level API's, APU's, Heterogeneous systems or hardware visualization in GPU's. Those are just ideas AMD borrowed and implanted.
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So they ain't the only ones with an APU, woff....

that does not mean they "borrowed" it for someone else and claimed it as their own, you arguing that because the makeup of it may or may not have bits and pieces that resemble other things by other pepole.

If people didn't build a technology ontop of an existing technology and build on top of that again we would still be stuck in the stone ages, its how we evolve, its what makes up human, we share information with eachother and improve upon it.
Just about everything you see and touch is an evolution of an existing technology, why put it in such critical terms for one of billions of entities who do this and do it quite naturally, do you feel AMD stole something from PowerVR?.

Sorry but in your world good luck sticking these on your car. :p

 
humbug said:
“do you feel AMD stole something from PowerVR?.”
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No I don’t feel they stole anything. What I don’t understand is how you can say only AMD has true Heterogeneous systems or that AMD invited APU’s. Which was why I posted what I did as I was trying to correct the wrong information.
 
They invited the term apu as far as i can remember i cannot remember someone else using the term same with nvidia and gpu but might e wrong.
 
Wish i was the judge in some of the silly patent wars. I would smack both parties round the head and tell them to grow up, next one to complain loses their case and if neither of them give it up i would just give the design to a third party.

That'l learn em


As is aid before, there are some justified cases for patent claims but some are outright ridiculous. essentially an attempt at legal theft by calling everyone else a thief and demanding they give it back. I would expect that sort of behaviour from children.
 
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