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Nvidia Did Not Invent The (Modern) GPU – ITC Court Rules In Samsung’s Favor
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But to answer your question directly, no I don't think they would be successful legally, even though I do feel that they invented the first true APU.
Personally i don't agree with patents if its to protect (solving a problem) or (making something better)
It kills innovation, saying to someone "i invented what you are doing so stop or pay me money" is trolling.
If you have solved a problem or improved something then you are with in your rights to protect how you achieved that, or more specifically the way in which you archived that, you are not with in your right to protect having solved the problem in its self.
If someone wants to solve the same problem in a different way they should be in their rights to do that.
So if someone else makes an APU that does the same thing as AMD's but in a different way they can, AMD do not own the APU, Nvidia do not own the modern GPU.
It kills innovation, saying to someone "i invented what you are doing so stop or pay me money" is trolling.
If you have solved a problem or improved something then you are with in your rights to protect how you achieved that, or more specifically the way in which you archived that, you are not with in your right to protect having solved the problem in its self.
If someone wants to solve the same problem in a different way they should be in their rights to do that.
So if someone else makes an APU that does the same thing as AMD's but in a different way they can, AMD do not own the APU, Nvidia do not own the modern GPU.
No they didn't as all they did is copy what was going off in the mobile world then called it a different name. Ever heard of a SoC? its a CPU combining a GPU and dates back long before the APU. You say you feel that they invented the first true APU. But all they did was copy the APU idea and bring it to the desktop market. What did AMD invent or do new?So following that logic AMD didn't invent the APU then.
Technically anything with the iGPU on the same die is an APU but what AMD call an APU is architecturally quite different, its that architectural difference that enables what no other APU like processor can do, stream serial tasks in parallel on a unified memory architecture vastly improving x86 floating point performance.
Yes on the face of it these things all look the same but Bru is right, AMD APU's are the only 'true Heterogeneous architecture'
I am sure NVidia would patent the 10 Commandments if they could !!!
Unfortunately for NVidia Apple have beaten them to it -
The 10 Commandments are on Tablets with rounded corners.
i lol.....
Totally agree, and yet in my eyes they also both invented the first versions of both. As for patents, well they used to mean something, but when companies can get away with patenting a phone with rounded corners, well that just shows you how broken the system is.
Its ridiculous how Apple got away with that.
But in the end Samsung didn't really lose, the S2 was a huge success and ate into more of Apples market share than the rounded corners one ever did.
Apples new iPhone now also looks like Samsung's (None rounded corners) Galaxy S series, how ironic.
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Patents now seem like they have become formal paperwork to calling first dibbs or shotgun on a potential money making machine.
I agree with patenting to protect original intellectual property but some of the cases have been absolutely ridiculous. Some of them remind me of children pointing at each other in play school shouting 'He's copying meeee' because they both drew a picture of a house.
Companies that get into patent wars filing as many things as possible to harass each other should be slapped with fines and restrictions to discourage this silly behaviour. The US seems to have developed a suing culture, where people feel they deserve to have anything they can get a hold of legally. We are not as bad over here simply because a lot of the cases would never even be given the time of day. Therefore it isn't profitable or worthwhile to go round suing your neighbour's brother's dog for biting the postman that your wife is secretly bedding.
I agree with patenting to protect original intellectual property but some of the cases have been absolutely ridiculous. Some of them remind me of children pointing at each other in play school shouting 'He's copying meeee' because they both drew a picture of a house.
Companies that get into patent wars filing as many things as possible to harass each other should be slapped with fines and restrictions to discourage this silly behaviour. The US seems to have developed a suing culture, where people feel they deserve to have anything they can get a hold of legally. We are not as bad over here simply because a lot of the cases would never even be given the time of day. Therefore it isn't profitable or worthwhile to go round suing your neighbour's brother's dog for biting the postman that your wife is secretly bedding.
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People forget Cyrix attempted something similar in 1997 with the MediaGX.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the TTIP (currently being negotiated behind closed doors by the EU) legislation to make US patents enforceable over here? I'm sure I read that somewhere.
If so, we'll have the exact same problem pretty soon.
As for the American lawsuit culture, noticed the amount of "been wronged by someone ( hospital, workplace, neighbours dog) just call us and for a commission we will sue them for you, all it take is one phone call" adverts that have been creeping onto our TV's over the last year or so?
Those people are literally called "Patent Trolls" its a real phenomena and it is getting out of hand.
This one is a good ruling, Nvidia have patents that enables their devices to do a thing, yes others copy what Nvidia do to achieve the same thing but they do it differently, so they are not the same thing.
Think of this.
Edison invents a delivery system for a form of energy that can power mechanical devices.
his delivery system worked worked just fine but then along comes a man named Tesla, Tesla takes Edison's concept and improves upon it by converting Edison's (Direct Current) to (Alternating Current)
Tesla's solution is far safer, far more efficient and can be delivered over greater distances with less need for delivery infrastructure.
One might argue Tesla stole Edison's idea and technically they might be right, but had the patent courts seen it that way at the time today we would still have a form of electricity that is more dangerous, far more expensive and countries covered in substations every 400 yards.
What Tesla did was innovate.
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You make it sound like the Xbox One and PS4 are constantly running games at 1080p and 60fps, with max available settings! Nothing could be further from the truth.
Have you even looked at a console game up close (ie like you would on a monitor) - the graphics and image quality are dreadful.
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My comment was more of a statement on Apple vs Samsung a few years ago. I actually agree with this ruling.
Edison barely came up with the concept of direct current and most of everything he is given credit for today was invented/thought up/discovered by his competition or the research grunts he had working for him. Edison was a good business man but not much more than that and certainly a long way off from the Phycisist Tesla was or even any of his employees were.
Edison barely came up with the concept of direct current and most of everything he is given credit for today was invented/thought up/discovered by his competition or the research grunts he had working for him. Edison was a good business man but not much more than that and certainly a long way off from the Phycisist Tesla was or even any of his employees were.
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Yeah,considering that TVs usually also have much lower pixel density than PC monitors,probably less accurate colour reproduction too,worse response times and so on,since they are,well,designed for watching TV on...from a distance!
Its like with photography when people on the internet criticise some of the classic pictures of the last 100 years as not being "sharp enough" or "not enough detail" when they are busy with their face stuck a few cm in front on a computer screen instead of sitting back and appreciating the actual image as a whole.
But each to their own I suppose.
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My point was that the graphical output of a console is not very good. For example the Witcher 3 only runs at 30fps at 900p on Xbox One and i think at pretty average graphical settings.
You don't need a PC to be able to do 60fps 1080p maxed out in every game to match a console
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Agreed, there are far more people deserve to be credited for what is credited to him. Including the invention he is perhaps most known for, i would give credit to Joseph Swan for the Light Bulb sooner than Edison.
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From the thread title, how has this thread turned into a Console vs. PC debate?
PC wins, clearly.
PC wins, clearly.