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Nvidia doesn't want to just dominate the graphics card market, it wants to own it

Gregster said:
You have to ask why they were swapping out 970s for 980s really and why not jump on the 390 etc? Did they see the AMD card as a really poor alternative? Did they see the jump to a 980 as a cheap upgrade?

I see a few jumping to a 980, I see a few sticking with the 970 and I did see the occasional jump to AMD but it was a mountain out of a molehill scenario that Nvidia did **** up on and should have been more honest about. It isn't like AMD ever sell you an 8 core processor that can't actually use all 8 cores at once now is it? :p
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I do believe at the time 390 wasn't released yet. It was 290 or 290x.
 
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Gregster said:
You have to ask why they were swapping out 970s for 980s really and why not jump on the 390 etc? Did they see the AMD card as a really poor alternative? Did they see the jump to a 980 as a cheap upgrade?

I see a few jumping to a 980, I see a few sticking with the 970 and I did see the occasional jump to AMD but it was a mountain out of a molehill scenario that Nvidia did **** up on and should have been more honest about. It isn't like AMD ever sell you an 8 core processor that can't actually use all 8 cores at once now is it? :p
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I can see how they would go with the cheap upgrade option as that makes sense, but as far as going AMD then I think that is mainly down to an extremely good marketing bombardment from Nvidia. On the whole they are good at making AMD sound second best down the whole range of cards, which we know performance wise on the whole is not correct. As we see today the 290/X and 390/X are not only giving the 970 a good run for it's money (AMD owners read that as 'A Good Kicking' :p) but those cards are giving what was Nvidias mainstream flagship a run for its money too. And those cards are over 2 years old now.

Not sure about the 8 core CPU thing as I am a cross-pollinator and use Intel processors and AMD GFX cards. :D
 
shankly1985 said:
And this is why I disagree with them.. Anyone in the right mind will not want this to happen if it did..

The pc gaming platform is an open platform not a console. Nvidia is trying it's best to close it down..

Shocking am also shocked at the people who support this.
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In what way are Nvidia trying to make the platform a console ?
 
maonayze said:
Just as anything positive posted about AMD/Radeon Technologies does not sit well with you Mr Chop. I really think that your thread/post history will prove that statement above completely false. It doesnt take a genius to view most of the AMD threads to see what goes on here.

Ironically enough you then go on to accuse others of exactly the things you are doing.

It is nice to see some Nvidia owners actually looking from the outside in, and commenting on the nature of what seems to be going on in the GFX card industry right now as something that may not bode well for all PC gamers futures.

One last point....some of you have talked about competition coming from consoles if AMD go to the wall. Hang on a second....where will this competition come from if AMD crash and burn??? They supply GFX chips to both Sony and Microsoft remember!!!

If that was the case then either Nvidia cash in and do a deal with Sony/Microsoft or Intel forges ahead to create chips for them.....Just a bit of speculation (Most of the stuff posted here is after all speculation).

It will all come out in the wash in the end....one way or the other whether we are in favour or not.

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Even if AMD cease to exist, the IP for both cpu an gpu divisions will continue. It all depends on who buys the remains. If Nvidia take the Radeon ip then it's effectively a monopoly and we are at the mercy of Nvidia's business model of gimping hardware to force upgrades every year.

Same with Intel buying out the cpu division. What would be interesting is if a third party gets involved. Microsoft/Samsung could easily buy AMD if they wanted. We may then see some real competition going forward.
 
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Dont think any of that really ties me into Nvidia does it? I can just bin all the software and change my hardware to an AMD card.

Next year should be quite interesting in the GPU sector, hoping both camps come out with strong offerings. :)
 
chroniclard said:
Dont think any of that really ties me into Nvidia does it? I can just bin all the software and change my hardware to an AMD card.

Next year should be quite interesting in the GPU sector, hoping both camps come out with strong offerings. :)
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Aye with good competition both are pushed to do better.

As for "Nvidia doesn't want to just dominate the graphics card market, it wants to own it" not many if any company that wants you to buy the competitions product!!
 
andybird123 said:
Nvidia still need to generate revenue so they will have to do that by delivering a reason to upgrade.
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Gameworks and GFE programs exist to make you upgrade, Kepler owners upgraded due to **** 'optimisation', Nvidia's main competitor isn't AMD, it's itself.

humbug said:
AMD have an opportunity here to offer an alternative that doesn't lock you into add-ware.
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They'll miss it, they usually do.:p

FoxEye said:
Why is it suddenly such a terrible thing that you'd have to register with nV to get driver updates?
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For me the sign up isn't concerning, they already send me mail every other week.

Personally it's more a concern on driver accessibility, right now they are easily available, the concern is how accessible are future drivers going to be.

Do I only have access to 'use' certain drivers?
Can I roll back as easy as I could, like the TDR Driver Roulette saga(don't know how many drivers came out until they fixed it, it was a pita)?

Is it going to nag you to update even if they are broken?

Many more unanswered ones too but the more alarming question is why the need in the first place.
 
While I luv all thing's green the whole thing about locked in drivers & you must be must be registered GFE to have assess... Is a very big turn off for me?

I have always bought the green team's latest & best gpu's over the years. But this might actually make me consider AMD.

Nvidia should me more confident in its position as the no1 gpu leader & embrace this. Be more open - nvidia should be more open source... Not paranoid & want to lock everything in, not game hampering with support for proprietary software + hardware

We the customers are paying top doller for their tier 1 products and now they want to lock us in as "privileged registered users" and then target us with god knows what!
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Dygaza said:
I wonder when we can expect nvidia to add micropayments for new gameready drivers.
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Come next year and Maxwell is obsolete with the arrival of next gen cards from both vendors this could get quite embarrassing for NVidia.

Both vendors will be back on an even playing field and NVidia could be losing a lot of market share.

Will NVidia consider doing a u turn and removing this rubbish where they are locking people into the GFE bloatware to regain market share.
 
maonayze said:
Surely it's by locking you into an eco system a la Apple, Sony, Microsoft etc....
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What eco system are they locking you into ?

shankly1985 said:
They no point me even trying to explain to you.. This is excellent news for you..

Behave please. Gilly
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I asked you a perfectly normal question that I thought you would answer. I dont know why I expected anything different from that response.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Apart from inflated prices, proprietary hardware that comes at a premium (Gsync) and compulsory registration, presumably to harvest data, you mean?
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Excluding the Titan cards, we're still at around £500 for top models like we were 10 years ago, we have freesync now and gsync still commands a premium and I'd be very surprised if they are doing registration just to harvest data although I still don't agree with it.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Apart from inflated prices, proprietary hardware that carries a premium (Gsync) and compulsory registration, presumably to harvest data, you mean?
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You must have missed the Fury X prices. You want gsync modules for free ? Sorry Nvidia dont sell ****ing lucky bags. Not sure of the compulsory registration to harvest data, you'll need to explain that one to me.
 
I don't see gync and freesync being separate entities for that long to be honest. Wasn't all that long ago where we had to choose between a motherboard that supported sli or crossfire. Sooner or later monitors will be compatible with both.
 
humbug said:
Yes, as we do right now, its the locking you into it thats different.

The only reason they would do that is to make it more attractive to Data Minors and Mass Marketing, the only reason Nvidia would lock you into it is so that they have a higher mass of data to sell and the largest possible audience for third parties to advertise to, which they pay Nvidia to bombard you with adverts through the lock in GFE.
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Not exactly related to my point and not the only reason but yeah that's another reason they'll like doing it. I was talking about who it's actually targeted at which is the sort of people who are likely to buy a console because it's a very simple way to go about gaming. Nvidia want to entice those people over to PC by offering an easy way to game on the PC with smoother performance and better visuals than the console offers.
 
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