Nvidia doesn't want to just dominate the graphics card market, it wants to own it

GoogalyMoogaly · 9 Nov 2015 at 18:43

Not sure how Gsync is any worse than Freesync. They both tie you in, just to different vendors.
Gsync costs more than Freesync it's true, but once you have one that cost is irrelevant.
Nvidia created a solution to a problem and AMD then fragmented the market with an alternative solution. It seems to me that AMD made it an issue, not Nvidia.

Would Nvidia prices go up without AMD around? Maybe
Will Nvidia prices go up with AMD around? Maybe

If Nvidia slow down performance increases the same way Intel have, all that does is give people less reason to upgrade and so keep their GPUs longer meaning they turn out to be better value than they are now because we keep them longer. That's not gonna help Nvidia's profits any, they want us to keep buying new GPUs.

If AMD started doing performance increments of 2% each year would you expect us to buy them each time? If not, why would you expect people to with Nvidia?
AMD are increasing prices while Nvidia are still around, so why would Nvidia be so bad doing it after AMD went out of business?

Gregster · 9 Nov 2015 at 18:46

Sorry Humbug but I am just not buying what you are selling. That is a serious tin foil hat way of looking at things.

GoogalyMoogaly · 9 Nov 2015 at 18:50

Orangey said:
980

900 series gave no reason to upgrade but the masses, who probably don't even read benchmarks, all threw their money at it.

It's sickening to see people defending this just like every other power play NV make, you're killing PC gaming.

Wait you're saying for performance

980Ti = 780Ti
980 = 780
970 = 770

Really?

andybird123 · 9 Nov 2015 at 19:14

And that everyone who bought a 980 was upgrading from a 780 as well as ignoring the fact the 970 massively outsold the 980

The other thing is that for gsync to have an impact on market share and GPU pricing, nvidia would have had to have sold 10's of millions of gsync units, at allegedly $150 a pop, their revenue would be up by much more than a few hundred million

~Mike~ · 9 Nov 2015 at 19:17

Don't you guys ever give up?

kaku · 9 Nov 2015 at 19:30

Is it really a surprise that a company wants to be the best in its industry?

Telecaster · 9 Nov 2015 at 20:17

Kaapstad said:
Come next year and Maxwell is obsolete...

Obsolete, sure...

Nothing like a good over exaggeration to spice up a thread.

nashathedog · 9 Nov 2015 at 21:18

GoogalyMoogaly said:
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Nvidia created a solution to a problem and AMD then fragmented the market with an alternative solution. It seems to me that AMD made it an issue, not Nvidia.

Sorry but "SILLY COMMENT"

Almost as bad as when all the AMD fans were saying how "Nvidia can use Mantle if they want too"

Why? Was Nvidia making G-sync available to be used by AMD?

No.

What AMD did was push a solution that could be used by anyone.

What Nvidia dislike the most is probably how they can't stick a big surcharge on the free-sync monitors like they can by keeping there own solution.

Gregster said:
Sorry Humbug but I am just not buying what you are selling. That is a serious tin foil hat way of looking at things.

Just a regular day on the forum then....

Ian Evey · 9 Nov 2015 at 21:42

nashathedog said:
Sorry but "SILLY COMMENT"

Almost as bad as when all the AMD fans were saying how "Nvidia can use Mantle if they want too"

Why? Was Nvidia making G-sync available to be used by AMD?

No.

What AMD did was push a solution that could be used by anyone.

What Nvidia dislike the most is probably how they can't stick a big surcharge on the free-sync monitors like they can by keeping there own solution.

Just a regular day on the forum then....

I dont believe nvidia can do async without changes to architecture, so no nvidia cant do async and make it as good as amd can because amd had the scaler on their cards already.

So Nvidia made G-sync so it works with their hardware, no one had to buy g-sync you know, like i haven't but many people like it so those people bought it.

Gregster · 9 Nov 2015 at 22:06

Guys need to understand that Adaptive Sync would only work on Nvidia via a module in the monitor as the hardware isn't capable of running it without it. Nvidia didn't hang about either and had the tech out a year before AMD and took the bull by the horns so to speak. AMD realised that they could actually do what Nvidia did and didn't need the monitor module to do this.

Sure G-Sync is proprietary but I give credit for Nvidia bringing this tech to us and it is a game changer for me personally.

jjgreenwood · 9 Nov 2015 at 22:51

I've had both and have NVidia atm. In my experience NVidia gives you a very slick experience when games are launched but over time doesn't seem to keep up as well as an AMD gpu when your card gets older. An AMD gpu in my experience has rubbish initial drivers but then seems to be good for years assuming you keep the same resolution.

I had my hd7970 since launch and only recently switched to a gtx 980 ti, for 1080p the amd was still doing the job but I moved so needed to change cards and thought I'd get NVidia for a change. In my experience the GFE seems to do very well at setting the optimal experience but the app is very slow.

I have no problems with GFE requiring login as it seems everyone wants you to register for everything these days, so am completely unsurprised NVidia is the same.

Dave2150 · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:19

thebennyboy said:
Load of rubbish. Wonder how much Nvidia paid for this article, usual pcworld drivel.

As usual the Nvidia bods in here praise it and take it for the gospel.

+1.

I read on some random website that NVIDIA's market share dropped to an estimated 50%! Though I don't have the source of course, though everyone will take me at their word, right?

Dave2150 · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:21

ALXAndy said:
Then you had better prepare yourself for a completely controlled police state and expect prices to double.

Seriously, if people think Intel are extracting the urine with their Skylake K prices then you ain't seen nothing yet.

You can also bet your backside that technology on these GPUs will slow to a crawl, and none of this "New tech every year". They would just sit back and sell you the only choice, their choice.

Intel are a pretty nasty corporation but they pale in significance to the things Nvidia has pulled off over the years.

Completely agree. TBH if NVIDIA do become the only option, I can see myself swapping to console gaming. Literally despise the way NVIDIA conduct business.

ALXAndy · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:25

D.P. said:
Completely unfounded rubbish that clearly has no basis in reality. Of course Nvidia will have to innovate otherwise they wont make any sales. Prices wont double at all, there are certain price points that they have to hit to maximize profit, Nvidia already do that regardless of AMD.

If you are going to assert that Intel prices is the result of AMD's failure then you will have to provide evidence why the well known difficulties of shrinking process node has basically ground to a halt and Moore's law broken. If Intel could get a7nm process out as quickly and cheap as their 18Um prices then they would be whipping out massively faster CPUs as we speak. Sam in the GFX world, we got stuck on 28nm forever, nothing to do with extorting customers. Quite the opposite, with the stagnant process Nvidia invested massively into creating a GPU twice as efficient on the same process node. Something which they can leverage for years to come in Pascal ans Volta.

Some people are so naive. It's almost touching in a way.

GoogalyMoogaly · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:40

Dave2150 said:
Completely agree. TBH if NVIDIA do become the only option, I can see myself swapping to console gaming. Literally despise the way NVIDIA conduct business.

You mean the way Nvidia run their business AS a business? Complete with the desire to make money, which AMD seem to lack. I'm basing that off the fact AMD don't seem to want to sell their products where as Nvidia do.

TNA · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:42

LoadsaMoney said:
It will work, anything Nvidia does works, look at the 970, vram-gate, once that came to light, they were flying back in their millions with extra cash for their 980s.

If it was AMD, they would have been absolutely slammed, and they'd have been going back in their millions for Nvidia cards.

Its sad, but true unfortunately

+1

Nvidia just have a much stronger brand unfortunately. Lucky there still some that actually purchase cards based on their merit only.

Gregster · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:56

Dave2150 said:
Completely agree. TBH if NVIDIA do become the only option, I can see myself swapping to console gaming. Literally despise the way NVIDIA conduct business.

AMD are far from squeaky clean, hence another lawsuit against them for mis-selling the Bulldozer chip.

GoogalyMoogaly · 9 Nov 2015 at 23:58

Dave2150 said:
Completely agree. TBH if NVIDIA do become the only option, I can see myself swapping to console gaming. Literally despise the way NVIDIA conduct business.

And who's going to make the console components if we don't have AMD any more?

D.P. · 10 Nov 2015 at 00:14

ALXAndy said:
Some people are so naive. It's almost touching in a way.

Some people are so Ignorant. It's almost touching in a way.

D.P. · 10 Nov 2015 at 00:17

Dave2150 said:
Completely agree. TBH if NVIDIA do become the only option, I can see myself swapping to console gaming. Literally despise the way NVIDIA conduct business.

There is no difference between AMD and Nvidia at the end of the day. AMD try this innocent little under-dog trick as a marketing ploy that people who take brand over substance lap up and spurt out on forums.

AMD are constantly peddling lies http://www.anandtech.com/show/9132/amd-to-face-securities-fraud-lawsuit

http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/07/amd-processor-core-class-action-lawsuit/

That is 2 big lawsuit in the last 6 months because of AMD's lies.
then we have the whole driver fiasco holding back Hawaii performance to make the 390 look faster and to push the lie that the 390 is not a re-brand. Only once some people flashed their 290x with the 390X bios could they install the 390X drivers and get the same performance did AMD magically release drivers for all.