Nvidia Explains Why Their G-Sync Display Tech Is Superior To AMD's FreeSync

[humbug]

Right, but without direct voltage control of the panel, the AMD GPU cant effectively combat flickering or ghosting, which means Gsync currently has better control of the panel resulting in a wider control range and less ghosting.

That is the purchasing choice currently available.

direct voltage control

You just made that up ^^^^, there is nothing that the G-sync Module does the isn't done in Free-Sync so now your just making stuff up.

Would you like to explain "direct voltage control" "voltage control of the panel"

 

[nashathedog]

Free is in no license fee does not change no mater what something costs or what assumptions were made.

Exactly,
That's what carried it until now and they allowed people to make the assumption that we'd get an equivalent experience without any additional costs when in fact it seems that what Huddy said back then was a lot me important than people thought, You can only get a similar experience by getting a more expensive panel in the first place, That is as long as we get these better ranged panels, At the moment there isn't any unfortunately.

 

[LambChop]

Exactly,
That's what carried it until now and they allowed people to make the assumption that we'd get an equivalent experience without any additional costs when in fact it seems that what Huddy said back then was a lot me important than people thought, You can only get a similar experience by getting a more expensive panel in the first place, That is as long as we get these better ranged panels, At the moment there isn't any unfortunately.

Why does Nvidia not have these issues with the exact same screen/panel ?

 

[humbug]

G-Sync started out with 1 Panel, its taken them a year to get to about 6.

Free-Sync launched with 3, they now have 6... its a better start than G-Sync so be patient.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Why does Nvidia not have these issues with the exact same screen/panel ?

You refering to the BenQ? It's already been confirmed that they are not the same panel used in the Swift.

But by all mean, keep pass that around to misinform people more.

 

[LambChop]

G-Sync started out with 1 Panel, its taken them a year to get to about 6.

Free-Sync launched with 3, they now have 6... its a better start than G-Sync so be patient.

Yeah but G-sync works in 1, now in 6......

 

[LambChop]

You refering to the BenQ? It's already been confirmed that they are not the same panel used in the Swift.

But by all mean, keep pass that around to misinform people more.

I'm not sure how I can keep passing it around when its the first time I've mentioned it.

If it is indeed not the same panel as the benq, we know now how they kept the price low.

 

[nashathedog]

The question shouldn't be whether Gsync is better than Freesync, or Freesync better than Gsync. The only question that matters is are both technologies better than what we currently use.
If the answer is yes then everyone is a winner.

The better question would be are both versions working as expected or as they should for the tech to be effective?

Did I expect to have the tech not work if my fps goes under 40? No I did not, That is where it matters most for the majority of users. I currently run a 290x at 1080p and tonnes of games dip into the 30's. I have over a thousand titles on Steam and my personal situation has me doing a lot of gaming so I play a lot of games and seeing my fps go below 40 is a common experience and this is on the current fastest single free-sync gpu paired with a 4790k on a 1920x1080 monitor. And yes everything works fine (poor gpu temps admittedly but I've pretty much solved that so I can keep it under the throttling limit).

 

[Phixsator]

Right, but without direct voltage control of the panel, the AMD GPU cant effectively combat flickering or ghosting, which means Gsync currently has better control of the panel resulting in a wider control range and less ghosting.

That is the purchasing choice currently available.

You just made that up ^^^^, there is nothing that the G-sync Module does the isn't done in Free-Sync so now your just making stuff up.

Would you like to explain "direct voltage control" "voltage control of the panel"

Actually what Andy is saying makes sense imho. The gsync module is the actual scaler in those monitors hence only the displayport option with the exception of the BenQ with double scaler(one being the gsync module). It also just proves my point all along that AMD is not responsible for the freesync panels and that its upto the scaler in each freesync monitor to drive the panel correctly which leads to that we should be annoyed at the panel vendors and not AMD on this one. Atleast until its proven that its freesync (AMDs software/driver) thats causing it which i doubt will ever happen.

What i would like to add to the quote from Andy though is while AMD cant effectively combat the ghosting, to paraphrase you, i personally dont believe it's their job considering the different method being used, open standard set by VESA vs proprietary solution owned and controlled by nVidia.

 

[Wizzfizz]

I'm not sure how I can keep passing it around when its the first time I've mentioned it.

If it is indeed not the same panel as the benq, we know now how they kept the price low.

ASUS will always demand a premium, just for the ROG branding alone

 

[Stanners]

That would be 2 catagories right there. Theres nothing wrong with "defending" something if you dont believe it deserves the bashing it gets as long as you can justify said defending with proper arguments and valid points, it doesn't make you a fanboy either just a rational human being. Nobody is glorifying freesync but some of us are just seperating freesync from what we believe is the actual cause. Again important distinction. It doesnt mean we are right but so fare i have seen no proper evidence to say we are wrong either. We have only seen observations of the symptoms not the cause.


EDIT: I see you changed your post

Yeah, I was talking and reading at the same time, Failure

 

[humbug]

Actually what Andy is saying makes sense imho. The gsync module is the actual scaler in those monitors hence only the displayport option with the exception of the BenQ with double scaler(one being the gsync module). It also just proves my point all along that AMD is not responsible for the freesync panels and that its upto the scaler in each freesync monitor to drive the panel correctly which leads to that we should be annoyed at the panel vendors and not AMD on this one. Atleast until its proven that its freesync (AMDs software/driver) thats causing it which i doubt will ever happen.

What i would like to add to the quote from Andy though is while AMD cant effectively combat the ghosting, to paraphrase you, i personally dont believe it's their job considering the different method being used, open standard set by VESA vs proprietary solution owned and controlled by nVidia.

The Free-Sync panels have one Scaler, a variable V-Blank Scaler, that is controlled directly by the GPU.

G-Sync also have a variable V-Blank Scaler, it is controled by the G-Sync module.

 

[Ayahuasca]

The Free-Sync panels have one Scaler, a variable V-Blank Scaler, that is controlled by the GPU.

G-Sync also have a variable V-Blank Scaler, it is controled by the G-Sync module.

Nobody has ever questioned that, we know that's the case.

The argument was that the gsync module can be tweaked to combat ghosting on the screen it's installed in.

Until we see this from freesync then gsync is offering something over it.

 

[nashathedog]

Why does Nvidia not have these issues with the exact same screen/panel ?

I don't know or care, All I'm bothered about is having a working version of the sync tech regardless of where it comes from and at the moment free-sync can not provide it via the current monitors released. As far as I can see who's to blame is irrelevant, it does seem to be down to the monitor components used though.
Maybe AMD need to come up with a free-sync thumbs up sticker certain monitors can wear when they've allowed AMD to dictate what components they should use so that way we know which ones that have free-sync on the box actually have gaming free-sync at it's best.

 

[LambChop]

ASUS will always demand a premium, just for the ROG branding alone

That's an explanation as to why ROG is high, I said we know how the freesync panels are a lot cheaper.

 

[humbug]

Nobody has ever questioned that, we know that's the case.

The argument was that the gsync module can be tweaked to combat ghosting on the screen it's installed in.

Until we see this from freesync then gsync is offering something over it.

no one, not even Nvidia have explained how, instead we have forum goers making stuff up to make the claim look more plausible.

Pepole believe it because Nvidia say "We are better" even try to fill in the gaps for Nvidia.

Do those same people still believe the GTX 970 has 64 ROP's, 2MB of L2 cache?

its easy to say anything you want. make any claim you want without backing it up.

 

[Wizzfizz]

I said we know how the freesync panels are a lot cheaper.

I know.

What I'm trying to get at is ROG carries a premium, BenQ doesn't

 

[Wizzfizz]

double post

 

[LambChop]

I don't know or care, All I'm bothered about is having a working version of the sync tech regardless of where it comes from and at the moment free-sync can not provide it via the current monitors released. As far as I can see who's to blame is irrelevant, it does seem to be down to the monitor components used though.
Maybe AMD need to come up with a free-sync thumbs up sticker certain monitors can wear when they've allowed AMD to dictate what components they should use so that way we know which ones that have free-sync on the box actually have gaming free-sync at it's best.

This is not a go at you by the way, but I loved reading about freesync being the next big thing, it was just as good as gsync if not better and it was free, now freesyncs shortcomings are painfully obvious its the panels that are at fault. If it is indeed the panels issue, then why not use a better bloody panel ? come on, AMD know about ghosting, dips etc This reeks simply of AMD once again, selling tech that actually isnt that good, trying to be the good guy by targeting the manufacturers to put it in cheaper panels and AMD having to control it all at driver level. Same old, same old.

 

[Ayahuasca]

no one, not even Nvidia have explained how, instead we have forum goers making stuff up to make the claim look more plausible.

Pepole believe it because Nvidia say "We are better" even try to fill in the gaps for Nvidia.

Do those same people still believe the GTX 970 has 64 ROP's, 2MB of L2 cache?

its easy to say anything you want. make any claim you want without backing it up.

So then what's your explanation as to why the ROG Swift has zero visible ghosting even on tests that are extremely slowed down?

PCM2 knows monitor technology inside out and here's what he's said.

Nvidia carefully optimises the pixel overdrive algorithm on G-SYNC monitors, which they do exceptionally well from what I've seen.

He's not paid off by them or has any reason to give them credit where it isn't due.