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Nvidia Explains Why Their G-Sync Display Tech Is Superior To AMD's FreeSync

Wizzfizz said:
Just edited my post to make my point more clear, was having a brain fart :p
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I understand, ROG is more expensive as it's name carries a premium. The benQ is not less expensive as it doesnt have ROG branding, my point was that the benQ also uses a cheaper alternative panel I'm told, hence now we know how they kept the costs down.
 
humbug said:
no one, not even Nvidia have explained how, instead we have forum goers making stuff up to make the claim look more plausible.

Pepole believe it because Nvidia say "We are better" even try to fill in the gaps for Nvidia.

Do those same people still believe the GTX 970 has 64 ROP's, 2MB of L2 cache?

its easy to say anything you want. make any claim you want without backing it up.
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These explanations have come from both independent reviewers as well as nvidia themselves. You are the one making stuff up to try to defend your position.
 
Ayahuasca said:
PCM2 knows monitor technology inside out and here's what he's said.



He's not paid off by them or has any reason to give them credit where it isn't due.
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PCM2 said:
I'm not sure why people are 'surprised' to see 'ghosting' on the BenQ XL2730Z. All BenQ XL Series gaming monitors in existence how suffered from inverse ghosting (overshoot) when 'AMA' is enabled. Given the high refresh rate and rapid pixel responses overall this tends to be reasonably faint as far as inverse ghosting goes and very short-lived.
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He also spoke about the benefits of FS/AS too.

PCM2 said:
Well I know that a lot of monitor manufacturers are interested in the technology and will be revealing a range of products in the coming months (mainly starting in the summer). We will see a much broader range of Adaptive-Sync monitors than we have with G-SYNC monitors and the manufacturers seem much more willing to adopt the technology. There isn't the same premium attached (due to not needing special 'G-SYNC scaler' hardware) and they don't have their manufacturer specific OSD functionality/tweaks or extra ports beyond DisplayPort locked off.
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PCM2 said:
I just wish Nvidia would swallow their pride and support the technology, it would be much better for the consumer that way!
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The reason free sync is "free" is because there is no need for a hardware module/device (it is done through the display port and GPU drivers) where as gsync needs the gsync module built into the monitor thus is more expensive than similar specced freesync monitors, it isn't rocket science lambchop....

If benq decided to go with a cheaper panel then that is up to them, not AMD (or do you think that AMD have a say in what the monitor manufacturers can and can't do with their monitors now all because they are using their "freesync" term?)

Also, the benq is very likely to drop in price over the next few months, just like any product on the market, manufacturers and etailers always charge more for the first few weeks/months, the asus rog swift was £800-900 when it was first released.


Regarding this ghosting:

1. Has there actually been any comparisons of freesync turned on AND off? AFAIK, only one site (which doesn't list monitor settings and doesn't compare freesync and no-freesync) and one person on here have uploaded videos?
2. The only monitor which review sites are using to test this ghosting thing out is the benq? Or are they testing all of the current freesync monitors? I think it is only the benq screen atm? So not exactly fair to put all the blame on AMD/freesync when it could very well just be benq/the panel/settings....

Besides, it would be a bit stupid to test this whole ghosting thing out on the LG IPS screen considering that most of the ghosting/motion blur will be down to the IPS screen (much slower response times than any of these 144HZ TN gaming screens)

On my 29um65, I have 4 response time/overdrive settings to choose from; off, low, medium and high. The "off" setting has the worst motion clarity, high is the best, however, it introduces "ghosting"


Either way, assuming that the ghosting on the benq is due to freesync AND the panel not being set up/optimised correctly, there is a good chance that we could see a second revision of the benq panel, which eliminates it completely.



Also, are people seriously taking info. as gospel from the nvidia and AMD PR boys?! LOL :D

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It is still extremely frustrating that we are going to be tied to a certain GPU and monitor all because of this g VS free sync crap.....
 
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Ayahuasca said:
So then what's your explanation as to why the ROG Swift has zero visible ghosting even on tests that are extremely slowed down?

PCM2 knows monitor technology inside out and here's what he's said.



He's not paid off by them or has any reason to give them credit where it isn't due.
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The ROG Swift is not the one with Ghosting on the Free-Sync side either, or am i missing something?
 
humbug said:
The ROG Swift is not the one with Ghosting on the Free-Sync side either, or am i missing something?
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You really don't get it do you.

If you can't even understand what the argument was over then don't even bother.

tommybhoy said:
He also spoke about the benefits of FS/AS too.
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That's great but nothing to do with the argument on ghosting.
 
Ayahuasca said:
That's great but nothing to do with the argument on ghosting.
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Yet he said all BenQ gaming monitors ghost, he's right or wrong?

Possible flaw in the AS ointment that for some equates to Gsync's bettah yet the other AS positives/Gsync negatives are to be ignored?

The underlying question that no one knows the answer to yet, as until it gets a proper analysis from someone who knows exactly what they are doing and someone who thinks they know what their doing is-Is it the panels causing ghosting or FS/AS.;)
 
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tommybhoy said:
Yet he said all BenQ gaming monitors ghost, he's right or wrong?

Possible flaw in the AS ointment that for some equates to Gsync's bettah yet the other AS positives/Gsync negatives are to be ignored?

The underlying question that no one knows the answer to yet, as until it gets a proper analysis from someone who knows exactly what they are doing and someone who thinks they know what their doing is-Is it the panels causing ghosting or FS/AS.;)
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Shanks said he doesn't see ghosting on his, i have no doubt he's right.

But if he cold starts it in a cold room he might. until it warms up that is.
 
That doesn't mean FS doesn't actually ghost though, he might not be susceptible to it.

On the other hand others in the FS thread have said they don't see ghosting as well, again, doesn't rule it out.

People that are actually using FS, pffft, what do they know???:p
 
humbug said:
What is that a fob off?

If the Free-Sync ROG Swift doesn't have Ghosting then there isn't any sense in you comparing it to the G-Sync ROG Swift.
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There is no freesync ROG Swift...

You still don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that nVidia have worked with the manufacturer to use the gsync module to prevent ghosting.

You think it's all made up and that you know more than someone who reviews monitors and someone who's worked on the gsync module.
 
All this talk of ghosting on the BenQ in particular is pure tosh. I can honestly say, I've run the UFO test, gamed at 144fps in fast paced shooters etc, not once have I seen ghosting. I'm not entirely sure what the big drama is all about and where it started, but my panel is absolutely flawless. I would easily recommend this screen to my friends, and if I could go back in time to purchase a screen again, I'd buy this one once more. This isn't me trying to gloss over or sugar coat my investments, I'm simply saying this witch hunt and bashing of freesync seems miles from the truth from my own experience so far with the BenQ. I could not be happier, motion clarity is incredible, colours are vibrant and there are tons of tunable settings within the screen. And I'm not even using Freesync yet.

You all go on like the ROG swift has never seen an issue. The Swift has seen many issues and also has a fair amount of owners generally not entirely happy with them.
 
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TonyTurbo78 said:
All this talk of ghosting on the BenQ in particular is pure tosh. I can honestly say, I've run the UFO test, gamed at 144fps in fast paced shooters etc, not once have I seen ghosting. I'm not entirely sure what the big drama is all about and where it started, but my panel is absolutely flawless. I would easily recommend this screen to my friends, and if I could go back in time to purchase a screen again, I'd buy this one once more. This isn't me trying to gloss over or sugar coat my investments, I'm simply saying this witch hunt and bashing of freesync seems miles from the truth from my own experience so far with the BenQ. I could not be happier, motion clarity is incredible, colours are vibrant and there are tons of tunable settings within the screen. And I'm not even using Freesync yet.

You all go on like the ROG swift has never seen an issue. The Swift has seen many issues and also has a fair amount of owners generally not entirely happy with them.
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+1

Am super happy with mine.. Freesync has maybe changed my approach to buying AMDs next gen GPUs.. I might just stick with single 390x now..

1440p 290x and Freesync is something special.

Over weekend am going to run couple benchmarks a quick run last night saw tomb raider gain couple fps under Freesync..
 
Nexus18 said:
The reason free sync is "free" is because there is no need for a hardware module/device (it is done through the display port and GPU drivers) where as gsync needs the gsync module built into the monitor thus is more expensive than similar specced freesync monitors, it isn't rocket science lambchop....

If benq decided to go with a cheaper panel then that is up to them, not AMD (or do you think that AMD have a say in what the monitor manufacturers can and can't do with their monitors now all because they are using their "freesync" term?)

Also, the benq is very likely to drop in price over the next few months, just like any product on the market, manufacturers and etailers always charge more for the first few weeks/months, the asus rog swift was £800-900 when it was first released.


Regarding this ghosting:

1. Has there actually been any comparisons of freesync turned on AND off? AFAIK, only one site (which doesn't list monitor settings and doesn't compare freesync and no-freesync) and one person on here have uploaded videos?
2. The only monitor which review sites are using to test this ghosting thing out is the benq? Or are they testing all of the current freesync monitors? I think it is only the benq screen atm? So not exactly fair to put all the blame on AMD/freesync when it could very well just be benq/the panel/settings....

Besides, it would be a bit stupid to test this whole ghosting thing out on the LG IPS screen considering that most of the ghosting/motion blur will be down to the IPS screen (much slower response times than any of these 144HZ TN gaming screens)

On my 29um65, I have 4 response time/overdrive settings to choose from; off, low, medium and high. The "off" setting has the worst motion clarity, high is the best, however, it introduces "ghosting"


Either way, assuming that the ghosting on the benq is due to freesync AND the panel not being set up/optimised correctly, there is a good chance that we could see a second revision of the benq panel, which eliminates it completely.



Also, are people seriously taking info. as gospel from the nvidia and AMD PR boys?! LOL :D

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It is still extremely frustrating that we are going to be tied to a certain GPU and monitor all because of this g VS free sync crap.....
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One of the most constructive and unbiased comments I've seen here.

You sir deserve a +1 :cool:

Would love to see a ghost free Freesync/Gync hybrid (with full ranges from 27hz-144hz) to be totally honest. Highly doubt it though we all know Nvidia's masterscheme. ;)
 
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