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NVIDIA GK110 surfaces

DamoTourettes said:
It'll be the next gen "780" for sure, and we won't see consumer parts until Q1 next year at least. HPC customers have been clawing at them for eons for a new high end GPGPU chip, however Nvidia cannot afford to release GK110 at present to the consumer market because of the weak offerings from AMD - putting big Kepler out would both undercut their strategy of using GK104 as their high end chip (thus killing its' sales) and also potentially end AMD as a gaming GPU business - their high end 7970 really is that far behind GK110 in gaming land as evidenced by the mid range GK104 at least keeping up, and in some instances walloping it. Despite a common conception that the name of the game is to put your competitors out of business, doing so invariably leads to antitrust lawsuits once market monopolies have been achieved. From a business perspective Nvidia actually wants to keep some degree of parity with AMD, which gives their engineers time to further R&D the next gen and maintain the dominant tech for future iterations.
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I'm interested to see the evidence you have showing that the GK110 is ready to go (assumed by you saying Nvidia cannot afford to release it now). I read this as details of what is to come in the future not something sitting on the shelf waiting for the right moment for release, therefore impossible to release now...?
Could it be that Nvidia were always going to use GK104 against the 79XX as they knew the GK110 wasn't going to be available until around the time of the 8XXX release? If not, can you show me where Nvidia have confirmed the GK104 replaced the GK110 due to AMDs below par 7XXX?
Do you not think that the GK110 will be going up against the 8XXX cards rather than the 7XXX given the suggested date of release, in which case your guess that it will beat the 7970 is a given really. What's more important is, will it beat the 8XXX cards. As we have no idea of the performance of these cards, that's anybody guess.
I also have my doubts that, IF GK110 is faster than the 8XXX release (or whatever highend card AMD have at the time), it would "end AMD as a gaming GPU business". Can you confirm why this would happen?
 
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DamoTourettes said:
It'll be the next gen "780" for sure, and we won't see consumer parts until Q1 next year at least. HPC customers have been clawing at them for eons for a new high end GPGPU chip, however Nvidia cannot afford to release GK110 at present to the consumer market because of the weak offerings from AMD - putting big Kepler out would both undercut their strategy of using GK104 as their high end chip (thus killing its' sales) and also potentially end AMD as a gaming GPU business - their high end 7970 really is that far behind GK110 in gaming land as evidenced by the mid range GK104 at least keeping up, and in some instances walloping it. Despite a common conception that the name of the game is to put your competitors out of business, doing so invariably leads to antitrust lawsuits once market monopolies have been achieved. From a business perspective Nvidia actually wants to keep some degree of parity with AMD, which gives their engineers time to further R&D the next gen and maintain the dominant tech for future iterations.
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Just like when ATI went out of business when the G80 and G92 based series was released....wait a second?? Just like Nvidia decided to hold back when they had a massive advantage...wait a second?? In both those cases AMD was significantly worse off than it is now for over two years,and considering AMD finally did their Fermi like step this generation and decided to go with a smaller chip(unlike Nvidia) no wonder it lead to an efficiency drop.

If they can bounce back from the unmitigated disaster which was the 2000 series or the fact that their top end HD3870 was not more than £150 and couldn't even beat an 8800GT,then they are going to be fine IMHO.

You do realise ORNL is only getting GK110 based Tesla K20 cards in 2013 and they are buying thousands of them. IIRC,it is somewhere in the region of between 10000 to 20000 cards.

The CPU section of Titan has already been mostly upgraded and ORNL is still waiting on Nvidia to get the K20 cards out.

The current K10 is based on the GK104 and is only targeted towards SP work not DP where the Fermi based GF110 cards are still better. Considering that I was updating the Kepler rumour threads on both OcUK and Hexus for yonks,it was fairly clear what was happening.

Nvidia is not releasing the GK110 because there is nothing to release in quantity ATM,not some sort of weird thing you are talking about. Nvidia professional sales makes up a large amount of their revenue, and the GK110 would be available for professional users like ORNL already,even if no gaming cards were available.

The professional market is the reason that GPUs like the GF110 and GK110 exist.
 
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I guess late 2012 or a very early 2013 release.
I also guess it is the 780 not a 685 because the 685 (if there is one) will be only a little faster then the 680. Going by the specs this GK110 is a lot more powerful.
 
hyip001 said:
That's a lot of cards, and currently priced around £1000...ORNL sure want that #1 supercomputer spot.
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The cards cost more than that AFAIK.

Also,the current GK104 based K10(with two GPUs) has around one third the DP ability of the much older Tesla M2090 which uses one GF110 GPU.

Nvidia also has not released any specifications officially too for the GK110 if you look at the press releases. If it were a delay in certification then we would still have more official details than we have now.

The OP is only predicted specifications and remember even if they are true the GPU will be re-organised internally to offer more optimal compute abilities than pure gaming. This is why the GF114 was more efficient(not faster) with regards to gaming when compared to the much larger GF110.

It is entirely possible that the GTX690 might end being faster than a GTX780 IMHO.

You also have to remember Nvidia is starting to face more competition in the compute market from Intel with MIC and even AMD with GCN,so I really doubt they would just decide to delay a ready to go GPU which can be made in quantity. Its not in their own interest to allow competitors any sort of look in.
 
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Not going to see this til mid to late 2013 IMO, still worth getting a 670 to bridge the gap until gk110 chips make it into a GPU and they become affordable and available enough for the majority of us
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nvidia is not releasing the GK110 because there is nothing to release in quantity ATM,not some sort of weird thing you are talking about. Nvidia professional sales makes up a large amount of their revenue, and the GK110 would be available for professional users like ORNL already,even if no gaming cards were available.

The professional market is the reason that GPUs like the GF110 and GK110 exist.
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Keep in mind that the professional parts will require quality selection above what they can get away with for GeForce parts - which will undoubtedly be gimped in terms of compute performance especially DP and some of the threading functionality.

Pretty sure the GeForce version of these cards will come out quite a bit sooner than some people in this thread are making out, tho it will still be a few months away.
 
Rroff said:
Keep in mind that the professional parts will require quality selection above what they can get away with for GeForce parts - which will undoubtedly be gimped in terms of compute performance especially DP and some of the threading functionality.

Pretty sure the GeForce version of these cards will come out quite a bit sooner than some people in this thread are making out, tho it will still be a few months away.
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Exactly :D, August time I hope from rumours that have been going around for a while.

Also we have to thank :rolleyes: AMD :rolleyes: for bringing out such a good highend 28nm product that ended up stopping Nvidia releasing these when they should have been out as the GTX 680 in the first place.


This is my next upgrade once Nvidia get their act together and bring these out as Gforce cards and fix the DX9 low performance issues and the stutter problems with the GTX6xx drivers.
 
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dave_beast said:
Fanboy ****?
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Not my opinion. Personally, I think the GK104 is the best Nvidia could come up with to compete with AMD so therefore GK104 IS the top chip for Nvidia this round. As such it would seem AMD have managed to close the gap to Nvidia this round. Both companies equivalent cards are so similar in price and overclocked performance that you can just pick which ever fits your peripheral needs.
 
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