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NVIDIA GK110 surfaces

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Just like when ATI went out of business when the G80 and G92 based series was released....wait a second?? Just like Nvidia decided to hold back when they had a massive advantage...wait a second?? In both those cases AMD was significantly worse off than it is now for over two years,and considering AMD finally did their Fermi like step this generation and decided to go with a smaller chip(unlike Nvidia) no wonder it lead to an efficiency drop.

If they can bounce back from the unmitigated disaster which was the 2000 series or the fact that their top end HD3870 was not more than £150 and couldn't even beat an 8800GT,then they are going to be fine IMHO.

You do realise ORNL is only getting GK110 based Tesla K20 cards in 2013 and they are buying thousands of them. IIRC,it is somewhere in the region of between 10000 to 20000 cards.

The CPU section of Titan has already been mostly upgraded and ORNL is still waiting on Nvidia to get the K20 cards out.

The current K10 is based on the GK104 and is only targeted towards SP work not DP where the Fermi based GF110 cards are still better. Considering that I was updating the Kepler rumour threads on both OcUK and Hexus for yonks,it was fairly clear what was happening.

Nvidia is not releasing the GK110 because there is nothing to release in quantity ATM,not some sort of weird thing you are talking about. Nvidia professional sales makes up a large amount of their revenue, and the GK110 would be available for professional users like ORNL already,even if no gaming cards were available.

The professional market is the reason that GPUs like the GF110 and GK110 exist.
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I'm not arguing with you on most of your points above - what I AM saying is that GK110 released as a consumer part at this point is completely infeasible, mainly from a business and to a lesser extent, technical perspective. We're all aware it taped out many moons ago and Nvidia presumably has sample silicon, however to release it as a consumer part would shoot their GTX 6xx strategy in the foot; that is, to compete with AMD's top end gaming GPU with their mid range Kepler chip which keeps up or beats the 79xx series in most instances.
 
Jibber55 said:
Not my opinion. Personally, I think the GK104 is the best Nvidia could come up with to compete with AMD so therefore GK104 IS the top chip for Nvidia this round. As such it would seem AMD have managed to close the gap to Nvidia this round. Both companies equivalent cards are so similar in price and overclocked performance that you can just pick which ever fits your peripheral needs.
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You called 7*** below par in the post I quoted lol
 
Rroff said:
Keep in mind that the professional parts will require quality selection above what they can get away with for GeForce parts - which will undoubtedly be gimped in terms of compute performance especially DP and some of the threading functionality.

Pretty sure the GeForce version of these cards will come out quite a bit sooner than some people in this thread are making out, tho it will still be a few months away.
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Nvidia has not even shown demos of the chip running at HPC conferences as you know I did update the GK104 thread constantly,so I am quite abreast of the Kepler rumours. Even Intel has MIC prototypes running at ORNL AFAIK.

If anything the "big compute Fermi" has been delayed much longer than people actually realise with the GK100/GK102 cancelled and the GK110 replacing it.

Not a single rumour indicates Nvidia was in any position to release it before summer it seems. If it is released to retail in early Q3 2012,even August, it would make the GTX680 "top dog" for only 4 to 5 months. Not even the GTX480 had such a short lifespan.

The whole Nvidia chose not to release it earlier due to AMD ,is just a load of nonsense IMHO. It does seem to be supported by the previous 6 years of how Nvidia does business. Remember the 8800 Ultra?? If retail cards were up and running they would just plonk it in as a super duper high end, even if 0.1% of all gamers could afford it. If people are spending £800 on a GTX690 or a pair of GTX680 or HD7970 cards,there would certainly be those who would buy a £600 to £700 GK110 based card.

Then Nvidia would refine it further for the next generation when it is cheaper to make.

Nvidia always releases what they can make in sellable quantities - the G80 and G92 are indicative of this and that was with AMD not competing very well for over two years until the HD4000 series was out.
 
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Not sure if this has been posted already...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/18033970

The upgrade is expected to involve the addition of almost 19,000 Tesla K20s. Each is set to have a list price of between $1,500 and $2,000 (£930-£1,245), although the laboratory will get a discount for buying in bulk.
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There will be more than 2,000 cores in the Kepler GPU that powers the Tesla K20
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That last bit that I just added may be quoted out of context. Does that mean that each K20 consists of +2,000 Keplers? That means about 38,000,000 cores? Can't be right can it? More importantly, will it run Crysis? ;)
 
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Be interested in seeing what the TDP of these parts is, and the density you can get them racked. Our renderfarm guys are salivating, some of our jobs are fire and forget overnighters.
 
Mysterae_ said:
Not sure if this has been posted already...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/18033970





That last bit that I just added may be quoted out of context. Does that mean that each K20 consists of +2,000 Keplers? That means about 38,000,000 cores? Can't be right can it? More importantly, will it run Crysis? ;)
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We don't run a supercomputer, but I think the lads will be looking at buying a hundred of these or so. Thats 2-3 high end work stations.
 
I think the idea is to rent time with it to other people. Doubt it would be cheap, the leccy bill is about $10m a year.

After all that processing power the answer will still be 42.
 
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Mysterae_ said:
Not sure if this has been posted already...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/18033970



That last bit that I just added may be quoted out of context. Does that mean that each K20 consists of +2,000 Keplers? That means about 38,000,000 cores? Can't be right can it? More importantly, will it run Crysis? ;)
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No they mean over 2000 cores in each Kepler card.
The 680 for example has 1536 shader cores.
 
Here is the ORNL Titan webpage:

http://www.olcf.ornl.gov/computing-resources/titan/

"Titan Overview

System description: The Oak Ridge Leadership Computing Facility (OLCF) has completed the first phase of an upgrade of the Jaguar system that will result in a hybrid-architecture Cray XK6 system named Titan, with a peak theoretical performance of more than 20 petaflops. In the first phase of the upgrade, completed in February 2012, each of Jaguar’s 18,688 Cray XT5 compute nodes was replaced with a new Cray XK6 compute node that consists of one AMD 16-core Opteron 6274 processor running at 2.2 GHz, 32 gigabytes of DDR3 memory, and Cray’s new high performance Gemini network providing higher bandwidth, lower latency, faster collectives, and greater reliability than the previous generation XT5 nodes. The upgraded Jaguar system has a total of 299,008 AMD Opteron CPU cores, 600 terabytes of memory, and is connected to the 240 GB/s Spider file system. Phase I of this upgrade also populated 960 of these XK6 nodes with NVIDIA Fermi GPUs.

The second phase of the upgrade will begin in the fall of 2012 when the 960 Fermi accelerators will be removed and 14,592 of Titan’s nodes, 78 percent of the total compute nodes, will be upgraded by adding NVIDIA “Kepler” GPU application accelerators with 6 gigabytes of high speed directly attached memory. We expect the Kepler-accelerated nodes to be available for users in early CY2013. This is well in advance of the plan-of-record commitment to place the Kepler-accelerated nodes into production use by January 1, 2014. This plan-of-record has 4,096 XK6 compute nodes remaining without an accelerator and available to users throughout CY 2013.

Users of Titan will continue to have access to the Spider file system, with 240 GB/s data bandwidth and over 10 PB of storage capacity. The OLCF will upgrade Spider in 2013 to increase both bandwidth and capacity. The users will also have access to the HPSS data archive, LENS data analysis and visualization cluster, and the newly upgraded EVEREST high resolution visualization facility. All of these resources are available through high performance networks including ESnet’s recently upgraded 100 gigabit per second links."

It seems they will start to get K20 cards between September and December 2012 then.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Not a single rumour indicates Nvidia was in any position to release it before summer it seems. If it is released to retail in early Q3 2012,even August, it would make the GTX680 "top dog" for only 4 to 5 months. Not even the GTX480 had such a short lifespan.
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Don't see them releasing it before summer - when GK104 was aimed at mid-range the high end parts were supposed to come out "about" 5 months after which at the time would have placed it around July - I suspect we will see GeForce parts appearing shortly after they've fulfilled K20 allocations.
 
Purgatory said:
Exactly :D, August time I hope from rumours that have been going around for a while.

Also we have to thank :rolleyes: AMD :rolleyes: for bringing out such a good highend 28nm product that ended up stopping Nvidia releasing these when they should have been out as the GTX 680 in the first place.


This is my next upgrade once Nvidia get their act together and bring these out as Gforce cards and fix the DX9 low performance issues and the stutter problems with the GTX6xx drivers.
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It's not going to be August mate. No way. You'll be lucky if the GTX 660's are out by then never mind nVidia killing off their 6 series sales by releasing the 7 series so soon.

I don't think there's ever been a new series released 6 months after the previous one has there? It makes more sense for them to release it around Q4 2012/Q1 2013. Wouldn't be surprised if it's later to be fair.
 
Rusty0611 said:
It's not going to be August mate. No way. You'll be lucky if the GTX 660's are out by then never mind nVidia killing off their 6 series sales by releasing the 7 series so soon.

I don't think there's ever been a new series released 6 months after the previous one has there? It makes more sense for them to release it around Q4 2012/Q1 2013. Wouldn't be surprised if it's later to be fair.
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I'm hoping it's going to be the GTX 685 and not the 7 series cards. We will see whatever happens I will wait for this, I have no reasons to update from a 580 at the moment, if these new cards prove they are worth the money I will grab one and buy a 2560 x 1600 monitor to make good use of it. I'm currently on 1920 x 1200 and a 580 is more than enough.
 
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